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From:   Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions
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On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 08:48:25AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 11:33:53AM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > Patchset to use HMM inside nouveau have already been posted, some
> > of the bits have already made upstream and more are line up for
> > next merge window.
> 
> Even with that it is a relative fringe feature compared to making
> something like get_user_pages() that is literally used every to actually
> work properly.
> 
> So I think we need to kick out HMM here and just find another place for
> it to store data.
> 
> And just to make clear that I'm not picking just on this - the same is
> true to a just a little smaller extent for the pgmap..

Most of the user of GUP are well behave (everything under driver/gpu and
so is mellanox driver and many other) ie they abide by mmu notifier
invalidation call backs. They are a handfull of device driver that thought
they could just do GUP and ignore the mmu notifier part and those are the
one being problematic. So to me it feels like bystander are be shot for no
good reasons.

I proposed an alternative solution to this GUP thing and i don't think it
is a crazy one and thinking about it we only need to do that for file back
page so we can leave untouch the anonymous page case. This would put a
small burden on the user of GUP (by the way i am working on removing GUP
from drivers/gpu and other well behave driver, patch posted on dri-devel
for some of the GPU already).

So why not explore my idea and see if they are any roadblock on it.

Cheers,
J?r?me