Received: by 2002:ad5:474a:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id i10csp262703imu; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:17:44 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XLrEnCTL6P94i+GA3SxQo/0lIGbujM6mpj+F0x9ZKgdhr9X/QgWz/U+okLrbM3/ncfaVh4 X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:2b8a:: with SMTP id l10mr13868563plb.70.1544505464238; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:17:44 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1544505464; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=THGodPdLgsMyoN8bvbbINtNAw8M1SKl3594aGfQryEC4CJF21Tjw9ibI4+SN+i7ao4 YxYRCJweq3bza0DbsggsiPkQduzNa0HmYL/29zzvL5aymLCP56VGCKOhqgoTMRIXN1oz TEAwLpBfObVYxhicSn+MYKVqXiFRFo0oyw0MkLvI4ZRohB3oi9vWC/D1L7U0sBDBr8KY Me4gIEmLyR4biEh3mdQR7AcHZZAImCj1YEXtaJaj2jr8dBT5Xo1Aiht3kMae3BcBaURV XI+iZ1LGcD4FsnH0cFdBuTmp7mIW/IJYSfVRpL3SpRLFFbpcgh/BzxvpxXfg4iPPEGmO lZ3A== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:message-id:from:cc:to:subject :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :user-agent:date; bh=h6yruEk2PhTj/cUyd8TwRbUVh8+x55I2l7vSRk3oDq4=; b=uw5G/cJnxXjJ804RLKvgsw0W7OmAWdmQUe7CHMIY2V/EDXXOlVh7/Ckyugkq2UWgVI CksBp33H1oOBfRm2xjHqRwUks3Zf88fA6jLI2YJ/WNirPp2Hizy9RxPjrIGJKHAsPsFJ upRjwIbEns+dmJJFt7LJC+eu/hFjD++RjYSe77sDdDfJg85GRHSb7HAemsTZPcMcJsmm 5cDbwdPQrMfK2qatUGuk42BaPLnNIvdFjaBu30/HixfagdzMQ5Hy7tGkCarPotB3tXd0 3YMeODoIc7RSEnlNplGWaTbuze+xzw42JT8PqofDRyNSDjnV0YE2cnZ9AAlsdN71ILE7 GDaQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id u128si12654026pfc.133.2018.12.10.21.17.29; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729627AbeLKCYU convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT + 99 others); Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:24:20 -0500 Received: from terminus.zytor.com ([198.137.202.136]:42683 "EHLO mail.zytor.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727485AbeLKCYU (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:24:20 -0500 Received: from wld62.hos.anvin.org (c-24-5-245-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.5.245.234] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.zytor.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id wBB2N3nv3634698 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:23:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:22:56 -0800 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Subject: Re: Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support? To: Linus Torvalds , Andrew Lutomirski CC: the arch/x86 maintainers , Linux List Kernel Mailing , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra , bp@alien8.de, fweimer@redhat.com, vapier@gentoo.org, hjl.tools@gmail.com, dalias@libc.org, x32@buildd.debian.org, Arnd Bergmann , Will Deacon , Catalin Marinas From: hpa@zytor.com Message-ID: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On December 10, 2018 5:40:33 PM PST, Linus Torvalds wrote: >On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:23 PM Andy Lutomirski >wrote: >> >> I'm seriously considering sending a patch to remove x32 support from >> upstream Linux. Here are some problems with it: > >I talked to Arnd (I think - we were talking about all the crazy ABI's, >but maybe it was with somebody else) about exactly this in Edinburgh. > >Apparently the main real use case is for extreme benchmarking. It's >the only use-case where the complexity of maintaining a whole >development environment and distro is worth it, it seems. Apparently a >number of Spec submissions have been done with the x32 model. > >I'm not opposed to trying to sunset the support, but let's see who >complains.. > > Linus The use case aside, I need to address the technical issues in this post; some of the behaviors that Andy is pointing out area quite intentional, even if they are perhaps somewhat confusing at first glance. That being said, some were due to tradeoffs that might have been wrong. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.