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Subject: Re: Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support?
To:     Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,
        John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
        Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
        Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
        Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
        "H. J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, x32@buildd.debian.org,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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From:   Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at>
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Date:   Fri, 14 Dec 2018 15:13:10 +0100
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On 13/12/2018 17:02, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:29:14AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wro=
te:
>> I can't say anything about the syscall interface. However, what I do k=
now
>> is that the weird combination of a 32-bit userland with a 64-bit kerne=
l
>> interface is sometimes causing issues. For example, application code u=
sually
>> expects things like time_t to be 32-bit on a 32-bit system. However, t=
his

IMHO this just historically grown (as in "it has been forever that way"
- it sounds way better in Viennese dialect though;-).

>> isn't the case for x32 which is why code fails to build.
>=20
> I don't see any basis for this claim about expecting time_t to be
> 32-bit. I've encountered some programs that "implicitly assume" this
> by virtue of assuming they can cast time_t to long to print it, or
> similar. IIRC this was an issue in busybox at one point; I'm not sure
> if it's been fixed. But any software that runs on non-Linux unices has
> long been corrected. If not, 2038 is sufficiently close that catching
> and correcting any such remaining bugs is more useful than covering
> them up and making the broken code work as expected.

Yup, unconditionally providing 64bit
time_t/timespec/timeval/...-equivalents with libc and syscall support
also for 32bit architectures (and deprecating all 32bit versions) should
be the way to go.

FWIW I have
----  snip  ----
#if defined __x86_64__
# if defined __ILP32__		// x32
#  define PRI_time_t	"lld"	// for time_t
#  define PRI_nsec_t	"lld"	// for tv_nsec in struct timespec
# else				// x86_64
#  define PRI_time_t	"ld"	// for time_t
#  define PRI_nsec_t	"ld"	// for tv_nsec in struct timespec
# endif
#else				// i[3-6]68
# define PRI_time_t	"ld"	// for time_t
# define PRI_nsec_t	"ld"	// for tv_nsec in struct timespec
#endif
----  snip  ----
in my userspace code for printf() and friends - I don't know how libc's
react to such a patch (and I don't care for the name of the macros as
long it's obviously clear for which type they are).
I assume/fear we won't get additional modifiers into the relevant
standards for libc types (as they are far more like pid_t, uid_t etc.).
And casting to u/intmaxptr_t to get a defined printf()-modifier doesn't
look appealing to me to "solve" such issues.

MfG,
	Bernd
--=20
"I dislike type abstraction if it has no real reason. And saving
on typing is not a good reason - if your typing speed is the main
issue when you're coding, you're doing something seriously wrong."
    - Linus Torvalds

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