Received: by 2002:ad5:474a:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id i10csp3265416imu; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:33:17 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN4Kc6ZwC0B1UqfqK2IZ4Rmcfoigv+eJs+gHhctSI4WBBMuk0Qc9/BK65ijYCdKghQvKCfU5 X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:1101:: with SMTP id d1mr19416495pla.136.1547825597121; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:33:17 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1547825597; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=Z90PJb+xmxtXf09kABkwAhpyTL+TOzLMMRjxCWd5fGJtHiTqV/Fzh0wdR4yy3eoJhI s9n/4MI3GZBKFfyEvTcUT5HlAUe20bkmq1wQ37fFiSMcVrfSM/cHow/+qjts9aWBiqhE rEX6/L2rhUAh78lsBzwCF4cddtshSuU4zU0kxmC5egCzinEyKs1sNJl+qVGuF5EJm30m JP9aTmMziYx81g76wCJiVpNA27NO9bXk29BzeTIp+Z5EVmWSsHSLji0JHK+y9n6RYPk6 UwT9ukkQvoZ4ki7MMoDRA3FcfH0SJ+sYgys3Pa+vQ63XGzrxjLOoxoDh4mjbZoxq9ciQ Ym/Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :organization:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from :date; bh=IMgzAJ2j74X1xivGXRt1Ttvt4ZuAcfKUNs8O9urW6Wk=; b=uAEJNR63IlHCu0QtTPnow1/+ecdQKSBGYD23OMYEeZbCxJhBtIdaOrYB3LL8PaQ5dF +5fznMRZqjlHDj4rR6rB/dAeEIehPODatMbqZ3tsed1RUtw0gX7RLItfECzhHJ1w6xaq YSDpPYyF3ENxOngpkDAsVo8p0ft10uSQ9rTqFDpKOrSOjcv2yOhYjL4faRqSggL7v6OP ucSavzGswdoS27Q8crU0XjQtlVoPiS2kgMqMdIcmkVP7X0gZGcvjB0u60/I8M4OftkZv 0RP4p9fVnNllWCw0o0lfu6bjlIXPeSj5DLfR8x3j4c8KrUh6wAwBL1Klu1v9YU8n8xHr zU7Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k6si5346457pgr.500.2019.01.18.07.32.57; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727630AbfARPb3 (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:31:29 -0500 Received: from www.llwyncelyn.cymru ([82.70.14.225]:59106 "EHLO fuzix.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727448AbfARPb2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:31:28 -0500 X-Greylist: delayed 1459 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:31:28 EST Received: from alans-desktop (82-70-14-226.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.70.14.226]) by fuzix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x0IF7708020955; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:07:07 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:07:06 +0000 From: Alan Cox To: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: [RFC] spectre hardware-software cooperative mitigation Message-ID: <20190118150706.7b1b9e31@alans-desktop> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Intel Corporation X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > This is going to be a mammoth task. The alternatives are to continue > as things are, which is a mess that cannot be cleaned up by either of > (mutually exclusive) hardware or software alone. > > Thoughts and feedback appreciated. You need to be talking to the JIT developers not asking here I think. Speculative attacks in JIT environments is a topic an order of magnitude or more complex than the kernel cases because there isn't even process isolation between the JIT, JIT engin eand support logic. Alan