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From:   Federico Vaga <federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it>
To:     Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc:     Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] doc:process: remove note from 'stable api nonsense'
Date:   Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:17:40 +0100
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On Monday, January 21, 2019 9:37:08 AM CET Greg KH wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 09:14:00AM +0100, Federico Vaga wrote:
> > On Monday, January 21, 2019 2:43:38 AM CET Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:58:04 +0100
> > >=20
> > > Federico Vaga <federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it> wrote:
> > > > The link referred by the note can't be retrieved: this patch just
> > > > remove that old note.
> > > >=20
> > > > Signed-off-by: Federico Vaga <federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it>
> > > > ---
> > > >=20
> > > >  Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst | 3 +--
> > > >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > >=20
> > > > diff --git a/Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst
> > > > b/Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst index
> > > > 24f5aeecee91..57d95a49c096 100644
> > > > --- a/Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst
> > > > +++ b/Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst
> > > > @@ -171,8 +171,7 @@ is also a rough job.
> > > >=20
> > > >  Simple, get your kernel driver into the main kernel tree (remember=
 we
> > > >  are talking about GPL released drivers here, if your code doesn't
> > > >  fall
> > > >=20
> > > > -under this category, good luck, you are on your own here, you leech
> > > > -<insert link to leech comment from Andrew and Linus here>.)  If yo=
ur
> > > > +under this category, good luck, you are on your own here, you leec=
h).
> > > >  If
> > > > your>
> > > >=20
> > > >  driver is in the tree, and a kernel interface changes, it will be
> > > >  fixed
> > > >  up by the person who did the kernel change in the first place.  Th=
is
> > > >  ensures that your driver is always buildable, and works over time,
> > > >  with
> > >=20
> > > I've applied this.  I do wonder if the "you leech" should maybe come =
out
> > > too, though.  I don't think that parasitic worms are a protected class
> > > under the CoC, but they might still suffer emotionally from being
> > > compared to the purveyors of proprietary modules...
> >=20
> > I agree, do you want me to change the patch?
>=20
> I would leave it as-is for now please.  When this was written, there was
> a lot of discussion about closed source modules, and how the companies
> that created them were leeches on our development community.  No one
> disagreed with that statement, and a number of companies privately
> agreed with us.
>=20
> That still has not changed.
>=20
> So I would like to see this remain.

I agree on the message, but I disagree on the usage of "you leech".

My 2 Cents

I do not like political correctness statements, but in this case the docume=
nt=20
is talking to other developers - who typically do not take decisions about=
=20
license - and comparing them to a leech: isn't it too much?


Alternatives without direct comparison to leech.


Here, I just played with punctuation to create some emphasis around "You ar=
e=20
on your own here".
=2D----8<-----
Simple, get your kernel driver into the main kernel tree. Remember we are=20
talking about GPL released drivers here, if your code doesn=E2=80=99t fall =
under this=20
category, good luck. You are on your own here.
=2D----8<-----

And here I just made the reference indirect
=2D----8<-----
(remember we are talking about GPL released drivers here, if your code does=
n=E2=80=99t=20
fall under this category, good luck, you are on your own here, leeching has=
=20
its negative sides)
=2D----8<-----


I will not insist more, it is just a minor discussion about the rights of a=
=20
poor worm :)

>=20
> thanks,
>=20
> greg k-h


=2D-=20
=46ederico Vaga
http://www.federicovaga.it/