Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262733AbUCJRRq (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:17:46 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262730AbUCJRRq (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:17:46 -0500 Received: from kinesis.swishmail.com ([209.10.110.86]:34827 "EHLO kinesis.swishmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262733AbUCJRRi (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:17:38 -0500 Message-ID: <404F50E7.4090907@techsource.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:31:19 -0500 From: Timothy Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Garzik CC: vda , Dax Kelson , James Ketrenos , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b driver References: <404E27E6.40200@linux.co.intel.com> <1078866774.2925.15.camel@mentor.gurulabs.com> <200403101015.19506.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> <404ED404.4050604@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: <404ED404.4050604@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1246 Lines: 37 Jeff Garzik wrote: > vda wrote: > >> *FLAME ALERT* >> /me is slowly getting mad about his prism54 11g hardware >> and its firmware, with neither firmware authors nor documentation >> for this pile of silicon crap nowhere in sight >> >> What's so cool about having binary firmware? Bugs are bugs, >> and you won't be able to even see bugs, less fix, in it. >> I don't like being at the mercy of firmware authors. > > > > Well that's typical in wireless, unfortunately. Certain parts of > wireless are political tennis balls with the US govt. and FCC. Sometimes > "put it in firmware" is the only way get ever get open source drivers at > all :/ > > I'll pick firmware over no-driver any day. > Hmmm... As you may know, I'm a chip designer... Are there not open specs on the wireless protocols? Could we not design our own open-source wireless network hardware? What would the US government have to say about an open-source implementation? Are there patents which would impede us? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/