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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:26:21 -0500
From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
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Subject: Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b driver
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Timothy Miller wrote:
> 
> 
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
>> vda wrote:
>>
>>> *FLAME ALERT*
>>> /me is slowly getting mad about his prism54 11g hardware
>>> and its firmware, with neither firmware authors nor documentation
>>> for this pile of silicon crap nowhere in sight
>>>
>>> What's so cool about having binary firmware? Bugs are bugs,
>>> and you won't be able to even see bugs, less fix, in it.
>>> I don't like being at the mercy of firmware authors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well that's typical in wireless, unfortunately.  Certain parts of 
>> wireless are political tennis balls with the US govt. and FCC. 
>> Sometimes "put it in firmware" is the only way get ever get open 
>> source drivers at all :/
>>
>> I'll pick firmware over no-driver any day.
>>
> 
> 
> Hmmm...  As you may know, I'm a chip designer...
> 
> Are there not open specs on the wireless protocols?  Could we not design 
> our own open-source wireless network hardware?  What would the US 
> government have to say about an open-source implementation?  Are there 
> patents which would impede us?

These are honest questions, but with all due respect, I would rather not 
dive further into the mess :)

	Jeff


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