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From:   Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Date:   Wed, 13 Feb 2019 15:19:10 -0800
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/4] uaccess: Check no rescheduling function is called
 in unsafe region
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 7:45 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> Before that, x86_64 switch_to() read like (much simplified):
>
>         asm volatile ( /* do RSP twiddle */
>           : /* output */
>           : /* input */
>           : "memory", "cc", .... "flags");
>
> (see __EXTRA_CLOBBER)
>
> Which I suppose means that GCC generates the PUSHF/POPF to preserve the
> EFLAGS, since we mark those explicitly clobbered.

No, it only means that gcc won't keep conditionals in the flags over
the asm. It doesn't make gcc save anything.

The push/pop got removed elsewhere as Andy says.

That said, I do agree that it's probably a good idea to save/restore
flags anyway when scheduling. It's not just AC, actually, now that I
look at it again I worry a bit about DF too.

We have the rule that we run with DF clear in the kernel, and all the
kernel entry points do clear it properly (so that memcpy etc don't
need to). But there are a few places that set DF temporarily because
they do something odd (backwards memmove), and those atcually have the
*exact* same issue as stac/clac has: it's ok to take a trap or
interrupt, and schedule due to that (because the trap/irq will clear
DF), but it would be a horrible bug to have a synchronous scheduling
point there.

Arguably the DF issue really isn't even remotely likely to actually be
a real issue (the code that sets DF really is very special and should
never do any kind of preemption), but it's conceptually quite
similar..

Of course, if DF is ever set, and we end up calling any C code at all,
I guess it would already be a huge problem. If the C code then does
memcpy or something, it would corrupt things quite badly.

So I guess save/restore isn't going to save us wrt DF. If we get
anywhere close to the scheduler with the DF bit set, we've already
lost.

But I still do kind of prefer saving flags. We have other sticky state
in there too, although none of it matters in the kernel currently (eg
iopl etc - only matters in user space, and user space will always
reload eflags on return).

                 Linus