Received: by 2002:ac0:946b:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id j40csp4083404imj; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 15:06:58 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IaugNYIdg1ayKAy5dAV0awFkfBurATOgJfDps7lfdcuxli3QcUXqD/hpqOF5qrwbcvxL2r6 X-Received: by 2002:a62:4389:: with SMTP id l9mr33092323pfi.170.1550617618659; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 15:06:58 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1550617618; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=tXpMK0wAVujPRpgYnr2nlEPfUyd1PGPj3N9iVFvk24Vp7rXH+Pr/sNEhn1OIDQX0q1 DLiPoIstVPB/OnMi6r86Djnd5Rs3k2voDxJUySLa6nIrHGqr9rL9MK9F8vC/+kC8dJw7 3OXw6u8fw8YwtzLpOevIB5XauuFI+/s3jDUsWWW5bz5ZwzgOB52x23QStKbjT/z/qf6T Dw0qfiucscg6+e3D/hv2wSJnF1vWsje7ZIwcsuK44eoQ9pkY2vRenxjcB9N3dny9QI8a gjh0+2ZYb7QAgJQ5IXTg8s8J2JjJkWEMX+NFlYDUysFTXKKyj0k3eFL5dr2emHYUiqI+ dJ+Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:message-id:date:content-id:mime-version :subject:cc:to:references:in-reply-to:from:organization; bh=Y7PAQSDFQ8CjacB8Q9BU6kHEfKic+yD5terdaYXPAmU=; b=rAT/wP1t8uePsKN0adYGxwh1GpklF8LOPqz2yzp35HTOxPo43/RkY4uHivjxXJ9gjF mEnvJLb1m/I4OguNvSFlyN4UdG9xhHB7fcj4JKjEks6TxT3o2xTKHxS27NkbvDbOJ6+H xn6hj67deLBGrWwyPKgvt12Dr6SSE2uaZnUEvu99ifJYw3JdY5A2QtcDuw5WAbOw0Wgd ak66p+99wxk9dvxbQwbfSPPMixGIkEDNFpCpxTcHpwsUVZekx6Q9vfIFK5W5etzTtzwd Q/dSgbwFhA74XLUj0oCbPO3QgdALZq8O+VU38JZGmdFaiq1a2qTZR/wnuYc6wqpVoCB3 seeQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 63si15055363pla.187.2019.02.19.15.06.43; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 15:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729887AbfBSXGV (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:06:21 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:58760 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726402AbfBSXGU (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:06:20 -0500 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4462856FC; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 23:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from warthog.procyon.org.uk (ovpn-121-129.rdu2.redhat.com [10.10.121.129]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93D3600C0; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 23:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Red Hat UK Ltd. Registered Address: Red Hat UK Ltd, Amberley Place, 107-111 Peascod Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SI4 1TE, United Kingdom. Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 3798903 From: David Howells In-Reply-To: <1550432358.2809.21.camel@HansenPartnership.com> References: <1550432358.2809.21.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <155024683432.21651.14153938339749694146.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <155024685321.21651.1504201877881622756.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> To: James Bottomley Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com, sfrench@samba.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, rgb@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/27] containers: Implement containers as kernel objects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19561.1550617574.1@warthog.procyon.org.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 23:06:14 +0000 Message-ID: <19562.1550617574@warthog.procyon.org.uk> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.30]); Tue, 19 Feb 2019 23:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org James Bottomley wrote: > I thought we got agreement years ago that containers don't exist in > Linux as a single entity: they're currently a collection of cgroups and > namespaces some of which may and some of which may not be local to the > entity the orchestration system thinks of as a "container". I wasn't party to that agreement and don't feel particularly bound by it. David