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To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
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On 18/02/19 21:40, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:49:10AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:40 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> However; whichever way around you turn this cookie; it is expensive and nasty.
>>
>> Do you (or anybody else) have numbers for real loads?
>>
>> Because performance is all that matters. If performance is bad, then
>> it's pointless, since just turning off SMT is the answer.
> 
> Not for these patches; they stopped crashing only yesterday and I
> cleaned them up and send them out.
> 
> The previous version; which was more horrible; but L1TF complete, was
> between OK-ish and horrible depending on the number of VMEXITs a
> workload had.
>
> If there were close to no VMEXITs, it beat smt=off, if there were lots
> of VMEXITs it was far far worse. Supposedly hosting people try their
> very bestest to have no VMEXITs so it mostly works for them (with the
> obvious exception of single VCPU guests).

If you are giving access to dedicated cores to guests, you also let them
do PAUSE/HLT/MWAIT without vmexits and the host just thinks it's a CPU
bound workload.

In any case, IIUC what you are looking for is:

1) take a benchmark that *is* helped by SMT, this will be something CPU
bound.

2) compare two runs, one without SMT and without core scheduler, and one
with SMT+core scheduler.

3) find out whether performance is helped by SMT despite the increased
overhead of the core scheduler

Do you want some other load in the host, so that the scheduler actually
does do something?  Or is the point just that you show that the
performance isn't affected when the scheduler does not have anything to
do (which should be obvious, but having numbers is always better)?

Paolo