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Date:   Thu, 7 Mar 2019 22:40:53 -0500
From:   Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V2 5/5] vhost: access vq metadata through kernel
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On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 10:16:00PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 09:55:39PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 09:21:03PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 02:17:20PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > > > > It's because of all these issues that I preferred just accessing
> > > > > userspace memory and handling faults. Unfortunately there does not
> > > > > appear to exist an API that whitelists a specific driver along the lines
> > > > > of "I checked this code for speculative info leaks, don't add barriers
> > > > > on data path please".
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe it would be better to explore adding such helper then remapping
> > > > page into kernel address space ?
> > > 
> > > I explored it a bit (see e.g. thread around: "__get_user slower than
> > > get_user") and I can tell you it's not trivial given the issue is around
> > > security.  So in practice it does not seem fair to keep a significant
> > > optimization out of kernel because *maybe* we can do it differently even
> > > better :)
> > 
> > Maybe a slightly different approach between this patchset and other
> > copy user API would work here. What you want really is something like
> > a temporary mlock on a range of memory so that it is safe for the
> > kernel to access range of userspace virtual address ie page are
> > present and with proper permission hence there can be no page fault
> > while you are accessing thing from kernel context.
> > 
> > So you can have like a range structure and mmu notifier. When you
> > lock the range you block mmu notifier to allow your code to work on
> > the userspace VA safely. Once you are done you unlock and let the
> > mmu notifier go on. It is pretty much exactly this patchset except
> > that you remove all the kernel vmap code. A nice thing about that
> > is that you do not need to worry about calling set page dirty it
> > will already be handle by the userspace VA pte. It also use less
> > memory than when you have kernel vmap.
> > 
> > This idea might be defeated by security feature where the kernel is
> > running in its own address space without the userspace address
> > space present.
> 
> Like smap?

Yes like smap but also other newer changes, with similar effect, since
the spectre drama.

Cheers,
J?r?me