Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263079AbUCSSs0 (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:48:26 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263083AbUCSSs0 (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:48:26 -0500 Received: from cpe-24-221-190-179.ca.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.190.179]:32651 "EHLO myware.akkadia.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263079AbUCSSrp (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:47:45 -0500 Message-ID: <405B403F.4000702@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:47:27 -0800 From: Ulrich Drepper Organization: Red Hat, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Woodruff, Robert J" CC: "Woodruff, Robert J" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Hefty, Sean" , "Coffman, Jerrie L" , "Davis, Arlin R" Subject: Re: PATCH - InfiniBand Access Layer (IBAL) References: <1AC79F16F5C5284499BB9591B33D6F000B4805@orsmsx408.jf.intel.com> In-Reply-To: <1AC79F16F5C5284499BB9591B33D6F000B4805@orsmsx408.jf.intel.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1440 Lines: 29 I think I should be telling something about another nuance of this problem. Parties interested in Infiniband have been working under the OpenGroup umbrella for quite some time now on API extensions to better accommodate interconnect fibers. They've even presented at am Austin Group meeting in 2001 (I think) to get on the road map for being included in POSIX. But when I wanted to take a look at the specs this was categorically rejected. My contacts were explicitly forbidden to give the drafts to anybody but the elite circle. Mind you, Red Hat is member of the OpenGroup. So, these people come up with their own software stacks, unreviewed interface extensions, and demand that everybody accepts what they were "designing" without the ability to question anything. I surely find this completely unacceptable and any consideration of accepting anything the Infiniband group comes up with should be postponed until every bit of the design can be reviewed. If bits and pieces are accepted prematurely it'll just be "now that this is support you have to add this too, otherwise it'll not be useful". -- ➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/