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From:   Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:30:52PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:06 PM Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 09:06:12AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:
> [..]
> > > > Spirit of the rule is better than blind application of rule.
> > >
> > > Again, I fail to see why HMM is suddenly unable to make forward
> > > progress when the infrastructure that came before it was merged with
> > > consumers in the same development cycle.
> > >
> > > A gate to upstream merge is about the only lever a reviewer has to
> > > push for change, and these requests to uncouple the consumer only
> > > serve to weaken that review tool in my mind.
> >
> > Well let just agree to disagree and leave it at that and stop
> > wasting each other time
> 
> I'm fine to continue this discussion if you are. Please be specific
> about where we disagree and what aspect of the proposed rules about
> merge staging are either acceptable, painful-but-doable, or
> show-stoppers. Do you agree that HMM is doing something novel with
> merge staging, am I off base there? I expect I can find folks that
> would balk with even a one cycle deferment of consumers, but can we
> start with that concession and see how it goes? I'm missing where I've
> proposed something that is untenable for the future of HMM which is
> addressing some real needs in gaps in the kernel's support for new
> hardware.

/me quietly wonders why the hmm infrastructure can't be staged in a
maintainer tree development branch on a kernel.org and then
all merged in one go when that branch has both infrastructure and
drivers merged into it...

i.e. everyone doing hmm driver work gets the infrastructure from the
dev tree, not mainline. That's a pretty standard procedure for
developing complex features, and it avoids all the issues being
argued over right now...

Cheers,

Dave/
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Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com