Received: by 2002:ac0:bc90:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id a16csp2399635img; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyjpGDNUdofeYbWyIgt8T0jTLZbXfgHWugxdBgHRApKfJANpqYSfkSg9nPCQZbhQyZZHbbR X-Received: by 2002:a62:1193:: with SMTP id 19mr19135866pfr.82.1553438697428; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1553438697; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=wddnMGYYZL8ly665DltPdQ3qFmTL5sf+OmeUOb0jjCueyjrWlA4/w02kMXUt2K9X3G hwVFeKHnSayM9KxRrQ94jDKahYDhzhYIjKwMkh2ZGWTG/lxz3SyMVB6OwmVkzl+zqifm R1GteS7vNX3XrUOQuOVnyvBNom/6YphP8jVmwCf4NF4zvtiKgQ9h7IUFiDXBRGTnE0SR LMm8zIPxCCd2HyIhI6CAejdR34TC+tAJob3fu+PGEu4xAUmu4NFkQlkxyxSd3Zg47hGj gLz7nEc4M90ABcZOrbp25zoY1ifSqBZ24ESGETtSjwUjGs5X+ry/IGWZ0U/5gOl0qUM9 YeSQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=0yIfHbHAo2NF7XwDo1oKLIsjcSMuaDKl8bKZdw8OthQ=; b=iekHh+fu0yVnp340QZ2xD4SyHEkfejOrYOud1bUydmNlOQidt1yo7jE1gcLpC2lGlX h2PImE+Qqu1YFpkVYSQ+va9iLvSCzGFV+dgfISWbZQnO9uhaJcA1tECUo2iRyoCcVgo1 ggMTxFhYXV+znx4Tupl6DhfEFsDSMlztGBuJf0Xs1XTD6yAoSuFXFTTu/MujRJerD3nH leqVfKI4Sb4YCxPIQNaD0BXcRkn8gY2D5A4v7EDDzLcilOfS3awyKBw9rCxcyqpl9K63 QE2s+MV7sr5njtpRV0xtrNUU2x3rascP8OdqqKg3mrVAtglnMsWJ8Q8U4CBbZp5hhm0O mtwQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si12054632plg.364.2019.03.24.07.44.42; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727137AbfCXOoG (ORCPT + 99 others); Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:44:06 -0400 Received: from mail.hallyn.com ([178.63.66.53]:59612 "EHLO mail.hallyn.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726090AbfCXOoG (ORCPT ); Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:44:06 -0400 Received: by mail.hallyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C7E72E; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:44:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:44:04 -0500 From: "Serge E. Hallyn" To: Daniel Colascione Cc: Christian Brauner , Joel Fernandes , Suren Baghdasaryan , Steven Rostedt , Sultan Alsawaf , Tim Murray , Michal Hocko , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Arve =?iso-8859-1?B?SGr4bm5lduVn?= , Todd Kjos , Martijn Coenen , Ingo Molnar , Peter Zijlstra , LKML , "open list:ANDROID DRIVERS" , linux-mm , kernel-team , Oleg Nesterov , Andy Lutomirski , "Serge E. Hallyn" , Kees Cook Subject: Re: pidfd design Message-ID: <20190324144404.GA32603@mail.hallyn.com> References: <20190319231020.tdcttojlbmx57gke@brauner.io> <20190320015249.GC129907@google.com> <20190320035953.mnhax3vd47ya4zzm@brauner.io> <4A06C5BB-9171-4E70-BE31-9574B4083A9F@joelfernandes.org> <20190320182649.spryp5uaeiaxijum@brauner.io> <20190320185156.7bq775vvtsxqlzfn@brauner.io> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:29:31PM -0700, Daniel Colascione wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:52 AM Christian Brauner wrote: > > I really want to see Joel's pidfd_wait() patchset and have more people > > review the actual code. > > Sure. But it's also unpleasant to have people write code and then have > to throw it away due to guessing incorrectly about unclear > requirements. No, it is not. It is not unpleasant. And it is useful. It is the best way to identify and resolve those incorrect guesses and unclear requirements.