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25 Mar 2019 18:45:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/10] Another Approach to Use PMEM as NUMA Node To: Dan Williams Cc: Yang Shi , Michal Hocko , Mel Gorman , Rik van Riel , Johannes Weiner , Andrew Morton , Dave Hansen , Keith Busch , Fengguang Wu , "Du, Fan" , "Huang, Ying" , Linux MM , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <1553316275-21985-1-git-send-email-yang.shi@linux.alibaba.com> From: Brice Goglin Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=Brice.Goglin@inria.fr; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFNg91oBEADMfOyfz9iilNPe1Yy3pheXLf5O/Vpr+gFJoXcjA80bMeSWBf4on8Mt5Fg/ jpVuNBhii0Zyq4Lip1I2ve+WQjfL3ixYQqvNRLgfw/FL0gNHSOe9dVFo0ol0lT+vu3AXOVmh AM4IrsOp2Tmt+w89Oyvu+xwHW54CJX3kXp4c7COz79A6OhbMEPQUreerTavSvYpH5pLY55WX qOSdjmlXD45yobQbMg9rFBy1BECrj4DJSpym/zJMFVnyC5yAq2RdPFRyvYfS0c491adD/iw9 eFZY1XWj+WqLSW8zEejdl78npWOucfin7eAKvov5Bqa1MLGS/2ojVMHXJN0qpStpKcueV5Px igX8i4O4pPT10xCXZ7R6KIGUe1FE0N7MLErLvBF6AjMyiFHix9rBG0pWADgCQUUFjc8YBKng nwIKl39uSpk5W5rXbZ9nF3Gp/uigTBNVvaLO4PIDw9J3svHQwCB31COsUWS1QhoLMIQPdUkk GarScanm8i37Ut9G+nB4nLeDRYpPIVBFXFD/DROIEfLqOXNbGwOjDd5RWuzA0TNzJSeOkH/0 qYr3gywjiE81zALO3UeDj8TaPAv3Dmu7SoI86Bl7qm6UOnSL7KQxZWuMTlU3BF3d+0Ly0qxv k1XRPrL58IyoHIgAVom0uUnLkRKHczdhGDpNzsQDJaO71EPp8QARAQABtCRCcmljZSBHb2ds aW4gPEJyaWNlLkdvZ2xpbkBpbnJpYS5mcj6JAjgEEwECACIFAlNg+aMCGwMGCwkIBwMCBhUI AgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEESRkPMjWr076RoQAJhJ1q5+wlHIf+YvM0N1V1hQyf+aL35+ BPqxlyw4H65eMWIN/63yWhcxrLwNCdgY1WDWGoiW8KVCCHwJAmrXukFvXjsvShLQJavWRgKH eea12T9XtLc6qY/DEi2/rZvjOCKsMjnc1CYW71jbofaQP6lJsmC+RPWrnL/kjZyVrVrg7/Jo GemLmi/Ny7nLAOt6uL0MC/Mwld14Yud57Qz6VTDGSOvpNacbkJtcCwL3KZDBfSDnZtSbeclY srXoMnFXEJJjKJ6kcJrZDYPrNPkgFpSId/WKJ5pZBoRsKH/w2OdxwtXKCYHksMCiI4+4fVFD WlmVNYzW8ZKXjAstLh+xGABkLVXs+0WjvC67iTZBXTmbYJ5eodv8U0dCIR/dxjK9wxVKbIr2 D+UVbGlfqUuh1zzL68YsOg3L0Xc6TQglKVl6RxX87fCU8ycIs9pMbXeRDoJohflo8NUDpljm zqGlZxBjvb40p37ReJ+VfjWqAvVh+6JLaMpeva/2K1Nvr9O/DOkSRNetrd86PslrIwz8yP4l FaeG0dUwdRdnToNz6E8lbTVOwximW+nwEqOZUs1pQNKDejruN7Xnorr7wVBfp6zZmFCcmlw9 8pSMV3p85wg6nqJnBkQNTzlljycBvZLVvqc6hPOSXpXf5tjkuUVWgtbCc8TDEQFx8Phkgda6 K1LNuQINBFNg91oBEADp3vwjw8tQBnNfYJNJMs6AXC8PXB5uApT1pJ0fioaXvifPNL6gzsGt AF53aLeqB7UXuByHr8Bmsz7BvwA06XfXXdyLQP+8Oz3ZnUpw5inDIzLpRbUuAjI+IjUtguIK AkU1rZNdCXMOqEwCaomRitwaiX9H7yiDTKCUaqx8yAuAQWactWDdyFii2FA7IwVlD/GBqMWV weZsMfeWgPumKB3jyElm1RpkzULrtKbu7MToMH2fmWqBtTkRptABkY7VEd8qENKJBZKJGisk Fk6ylp8VzZdwbAtEDDTGK00Vg4PZGiIGbQo8mBqbc63DY+MdyUEksTTu2gTcqZMm/unQUJA8 xB4JrTAyljo/peIt6lsQa4+/eVolfKL1t1C3DY8f4wMoqnZORagnWA2oHsLsYKvcnqzA0QtY IIb1S1YatV+MNMFf3HuN7xr/jWlfdt59quXiOHU3qxIzXJo/OfC3mwNW4zQWJkG233UOf6YE rmrSaTIBTIWF8CxGY9iXPaJGNYSUa6R/VJS09EWeZgRz9Gk3h5AyDrdo5RFN9HNwOj41o0cj eLDF69092Lg5p5isuOqsrlPi5imHKcDtrXS7LacUI6H0c8onWoH9LuW99WznEtFgPJg++TAv f9M2x57Gzl+/nYTB5/Kpl1qdPPC91zUipiKbnF5f8bQpol0WC+ovmQARAQABiQIfBBgBAgAJ BQJTYPdaAhsMAAoJEESRkPMjWr074+0P/iEcN27dx3oBTzoeGEBhZUVQRZ7w4A61H/vW8oO8 IPkZv9kFr5pCfIonmHEbBlg6yfjeHXwF5SF2ywWRKkRsFHpaFWywxqk9HWXu8cGR1pFsrwC3 EdossuVbEFNmhjHvcAo11nJ7JFzPTEnlPjE6OY9tEDwl+kp1WvyXqNk9bosaX8ivikhmhB47 7BA3Kv8uUE7UL6p7CBdqumaOFISi1we5PYE4P/6YcyhQ9Z2wH6ad2PpwAFNBwxSu+xCrVmaD skAwknf6UVPN3bt67sFAaVgotepx6SPhBuH4OSOxVHMDDLMu7W7pJjnSKzMcAyXmdjON05Sz SaILwfceByvHAnvcFh2pXK9U4E/SyWZDJEcGRRt79akzZxls52stJK/2Tsr0vKtZVAwogiaK uSp+m6BRQcVVhTo/Kq3E0tSnsTHFeIO6QFHKJCJv4FRE3Dmtz15lueihUBowsq9Hk+u3UiLo SmrMAZ6KgA4SQxB2p8/M53kNJl92HHc9nc//aCQDi1R71NyhtSx+6PyivoBkuaKYs+S4pHmt sFE+5+pkUNROtm4ExLen4N4OL6Kq85mWGf2f6hd+OWtn8we1mADjDtdnDHuv+3E3cacFJPP/ wFV94ZhqvW4QcyBWcRNFA5roa7vcnu/MsCcBoheR0UdYsOnJoEpSZswvC/BGqJTkA2sf Message-ID: <3df2bf0e-0b1d-d299-3b8e-51c306cdc559@inria.fr> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:45:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Le 25/03/2019 à 17:56, Dan Williams a écrit : > > I'm generally against the concept that a "pmem" or "type" flag should > indicate anything about the expected performance of the address range. > The kernel should explicitly look to the HMAT for performance data and > not otherwise make type-based performance assumptions. Oh sorry, I didn't mean to have the kernel use such a flag to decide of placement, but rather to expose more information to userspace to clarify what all these nodes are about when userspace will decide where to allocate things. I understand that current NVDIMM-F are not slower than DDR and HMAT would better describe this than a flag. But I have seen so many buggy or dummy SLIT tables in the past that I wonder if we can expect HMAT to be widely available (and correct). Is there a safe fallback in case of missing or buggy HMAT? For instance, is DDR supposed to be listed before NVDIMM (or HBM) in SRAT? Brice