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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] pid: add pidfd_open()
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 10:24:19AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 10:12 AM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
> >
> >
> > To clarify, what the Android guys really wanted to be part of the api is
> > a way to get race-free access to metadata associated with a given pidfd.
> > And the idea was that *if and only if procfs is mounted* you could do:
> >
> > int pidfd = pidfd_open(1234, 0);
> >
> > int procfd = open("/proc", O_RDONLY | O_CLOEXEC);
> > int procpidfd = ioctl(pidfd, PIDFD_TO_PROCFD, procfd);
> 
> And my claim is that this is three system calls - one of them very
> hacky - to just do
> 
>     int pidfd = open("/proc/%d", O_PATH);
> 
> and you're done. It acts as the pidfd _and_ the way to get the
> associated status files etc.
> 
> So there is absolutely zero advantage to going through pidfd_open().
> 
> No. No. No.
> 
> So the *only* reason for "pidfd_open()" is if you don't have /proc in
> the first place. In which case the whole PIDFD_TO_PROCFD is bogus.
> 
> Yeah, yeah, if you want to avoid going through the pathname
> translation, that's one thing, but if that's your aim, then you again
> should also just admit that PIDFD_TO_PROCFD is disgusting and wrong,
> and you're basically saying "ok, I'm not going to do /proc at all".
> 
> So I'm ok with the whole "simpler, faster, no-proc pidfd", but then it

Understood.

> really has to be *SIMPLER* and *NO PROCFS*.
> 
> PIDFD_TO_PROCFD violates *everything*.