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From: Matti Aarnio <matti.aarnio@zmailer.org>
To: Michael Peddemors <michael@linuxmagic.com>
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On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 06:14:33PM -0700, Michael Peddemors wrote:
> This would be a shame, as he has been a valuable resource..
> Why has the list become more restrictive?

	I just verified this particular aspect of VGER's MTA
	configurations.  It has been unmodified since 21-Mar-2000,
	that is, over a year...

	If e.g. Rik's ISP has added their dialup pools to DUL registry,
	that might be the reason behind the change.

> I think that this is one list where we have to keep the ability to post
> from individuals separate from the need to make sure that their ISP or
> company is compliant to a set a of rules..  The LKML can't toe the
> strictest of lines, without loosing some possibly valuable
> contributors..

	Well, comparing how much spam goes thru linux-mm vs. linux-kernel,
	I would say our methods are fairly effective.

	The incentive behind the DUL is to force users not to post
	straight out to the world, but to use their ISP's servers
	for outbound email --- normal M$ users do that, after all.
	Only spammers - and UNIX powerusers - want to post directly
	to the world from dialups.  And UNIX powerusers should know
	better, and be able to use ISP relay service anyway.

> On 03 Apr 2001 18:01:42 -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > this will be my last email to linux-kernel for a while since
> > davem and matti are using DUL on vger.kernel.org
> > 
> > If you need to know something, don't count on me posting
> > anything here. For memory management things, please use
> > linux-mm@kvack.org instead.
> > 
> > Rik
> > --
> > Virtual memory is like a game you can't win;
> > However, without VM there's truly nothing to lose...
> > 
> >               http://www.surriel.com/
> > http://www.conectiva.com/     http://distro.conectiva.com.br/
> 
> -- 
> "Catch the Magic of Linux..."
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Michael Peddemors - Senior Consultant
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