Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:42:02 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:41:53 -0400 Received: from 63-224-228-227.customers.uswest.net ([63.224.228.227]:13646 "HELO galen.magenet.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:41:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:41:44 -0700 From: Joseph Carter To: David Woodhouse Cc: john slee , Colonel , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: goodbye Message-ID: <20010408084144.A3293@debian.org> In-Reply-To: <20010407210224.A1022@debian.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: ; from dwmw2@infradead.org on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:22:49PM +0100 X-Operating-System: Linux galen 2.4.3-ac3 X-No-Junk-Mail: Spam will solicit a hostile reaction, at the very least. Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:22:49PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > ORBS ... well, they called one of my old ISPs' mail an open relay when > > it wasn't and took 3 months to decide to rectify the situation and > > remove us from their list. That doesn't instill much confidence. >=20 > I've heard that accusation many times, and on investigation, on the=20 > occasions I could be bothered, it's _always_ turned out to be false -=20 > generally caused by cluelessness on the part of the reporter. >=20 > It's very easy for ISPs to get landed in ORBS by customers who use the > outgoing relay for spam which they've wrongly accepted. The ISP's mail > relay doesn't have to accept the mail from the outside world and blatantly > forward it. Ah, then every ISP in the world belongs on the ORBS list since they all will indiscriminantly forward their users' mail to other people. Of course if someone uses them to deliver spam they usually don't get to keep their account long, but it's our own fault for using a relay which has been used to send spam right? Let's see, ORBS takes out the ISP route, DUL takes out the direct one. Is it any wonder people are hostile toward those two lists? --=20 Joseph Carter Free software developer i'd solve a windows key problem with fdisk :) --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: 1024D/DCF9DAB3 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 iEYEARECAAYFAjrQhrgACgkQj/fXo9z52rOZYQCePXXwmYke7nqUf+1DMuOrjhCk kxcAoLDh0gtY4tJwMnaWoYpoG2DytzMa =IqNv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/