Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264497AbUDUKHm (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:07:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264501AbUDUKHm (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:07:42 -0400 Received: from users.linvision.com ([62.58.92.114]:15340 "HELO bitwizard.nl") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S264497AbUDUKHj (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:07:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:07:38 +0200 From: Erik Mouw To: Miles Bader Cc: Matti Aarnio , Jan De Luyck , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, postmaster@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: vger.kernel.org is listed by spamcop Message-ID: <20040421100738.GC4270@harddisk-recovery.com> References: <200404210722.32253.lkml@kcore.org> <20040421084434.GL1749@mea-ext.zmailer.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organization: Harddisk-recovery.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2102 Lines: 57 On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 05:56:41PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > Matti Aarnio writes: > > The only way to handle this is to have smarter people, who are always > > vigilant enough to look deeply into the message headers and do realize > > that some spam has leaked thru VGER's lists. > > I'm confused -- the spamcopy info page you listed implies that hosts are > listed if they are an _open relay_, which is a completely different > thing from `spam leaking though VGER's lists.' Vger is not an open relay: % telnet vger.kernel.org smtp Connected to vger.kernel.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 vger.kernel.org ZMailer Server 2.99.57-pre1 #11 ESMTP ready at Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:56:30 -0400 EHLO harddisk-recovery.com 250-vger.kernel.org expected "EHLO xxx.xxx.xxx" 250-SIZE 0 250-8BITMIME 250-PIPELINING 250-CHUNKING 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-DSN 250-X-RCPTLIMIT 10000 250-ETRN 250 HELP MAIL FROM: <> 250 2.0.0 Ok (sourcechannel 'error' accepted) Ok RCPT TO: 550 5.7.1 Your IP address [xx.xx.xx.xx] is not allowed to relay to email address via our server; MX rule Spamcop is wrong. Some spammer targeted one of the lists on vger. That doesn't make vger an open relay. > If VGER actually is an open relay, that's very bad, but presumably > something easily solved by the machine's maintainers. Some spam getting > through to VGER list recipients, on the other hand, is just annoying > (and certainly shouldn't be the cause of any blacklisting). > > The spamcop report page seems to say that the listings are due to user > reports; could the real problem be clueless users who don't understand > the difference above? Yes. Erik -- +-- Erik Mouw -- www.harddisk-recovery.com -- +31 70 370 12 90 -- | Lab address: Delftechpark 26, 2628 XH, Delft, The Netherlands - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/