From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>
To: Peter Williams <peterw@aurema.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:49:56 +0200
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On Friday 30 of April 2004 06:32, Peter Williams wrote:
> Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> > On Friday 30 of April 2004 04:15, Marc Boucher wrote:
> >>Dear Sean,
> >>
> >>On Apr 29, 2004, at 7:55 PM, Sean Estabrooks wrote:
> >>>Perhaps others on this list are getting as tired as I am of your using
> >>>the term "religious bias" as a negative connotation against people who
> >>>support and protect the open source nature of Linux.   Maybe you could
> >>>at least pretend to respect the people who you supposedly apologized
> >>>to.
> >>
> >>I not only highly respect Rusty but have closely worked and been
> >>friends with him for several years. The same applies to several other
> >>kernel developers.
> >>
> >>Please don't get me wrong. We are entirely for the open-source nature
> >>of Linux, and I have been personally contributing for the last 15 years
> >>to many open-source projects (for examples, see the AUTHORS section of
> >>"man iptables", or search google for my previous email addresses
> >>marc@mbsi.ca & marc@cam.org to get more historical background).
> >
> > Well, people change over time.  8)
> >
> > from http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/
> >
> > "DriverLoader technology is the ideal Linux solution to support devices
> > for which no adequate native open-source drivers are available. It also
> > allows vendors to drastically reduce time to market or eliminate the need
> > to support multiple drivers for Windows and Linux. By using the same
> > driver on both platforms, significant resources can be saved."
> >
> > Rusty was right.
>
> Why did you omit the next paragraph (which completes the story):
>
> "We have attempted to reduce the inconvenience of binary-only drivers by
> separating the proprietary code from the operating-system specific code.
> The latter is provided in source form, allowing users to install the
> drivers under any supported version (2.4 or later) of the Linux kernel."

It is unimportant here, using GPL-ed wrappers to load
closed-source drivers is like using LILO to boot Windows. ;)

Open-source drivers are one of the fundamental advantages
of Linux and drivers are part of operating system.

Splitting driver by "separating the proprietary code from the
operating-system specific code." weakens this advantage.

There is a question about integrity when you say that you promote
open-source nature of Linux but you don't promote open-source drivers.

Regards,
Bartlomiej

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