Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265056AbUD3UhV (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:37:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S265171AbUD3UhU (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:37:20 -0400 Received: from 1-2-2-1a.has.sth.bostream.se ([82.182.130.86]:23440 "EHLO K-7.stesmi.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265056AbUD3UhP (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:37:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4092B861.8060601@stesmi.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:34:41 +0200 From: Stefan Smietanowski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Boucher CC: Linus Torvalds , "'Sean Estabrooks'" , "'Paul Wagland'" , "'Rik van Riel'" , "'Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz'" , "'Peter Williams'" , Hua Zhong , "'Timothy Miller'" , "'lkml - Kernel Mailing List'" , koke@sindominio.net, "'Rusty Russell'" , "'David Gibson'" Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license References: <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com> <90DD8A88-9AE2-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com> In-Reply-To: <90DD8A88-9AE2-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1733 Lines: 42 Hi. > The purpose of the workaround is not to circumvent any protection, but > to fix a real usability issue for systems in the field, which, as an > expert you perhaps do not see, but users definitely massively felt and > complained about. That's like saying that someone hates getting a speeding ticket from those automatic cameras that are cropping up everywhere now. He then promptly removes his license plate so he can't be tracked and then he can continue to speed along. Now - To the entity that is issuing tickets it appears that that person is now a law abiding citizen and does not speed anymore when in truth he removed the plate so it would appear that way. The speeding ticket is printed message. Yes, it might or should be changed to print it once or once per $MODULE_VENDOR or license or whatever, but the issue remains. It wasn't YOU that installed the speed camera nor set the speed limits (ie created the tained flag and the code that prints a message when such a module is inserted) but claiming that "but it's only a workaround because I was getting so many tickets" doesn't make it any better. Yes, Linux is such an open system that a user can install a kernel that doesn't print anything for tained kernels (remove speed cameras) but that doesn't mean that YOU can do anything about it from the side of the car (module). Also note that neither the speed camera nor the kernel actually make any limits on speeding (loading proprietary modules). // Stefan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/