Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263781AbUFFQQR (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:16:17 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263788AbUFFQQQ (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:16:16 -0400 Received: from 80-169-17-66.mesanetworks.net ([66.17.169.80]:28134 "EHLO mail.bounceswoosh.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263781AbUFFQQB (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:16:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 10:18:27 -0600 From: "Eric D. Mudama" To: Jens Axboe Cc: Jeff Garzik , Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz , Ed Tomlinson , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later Message-ID: <20040606161827.GC28576@bounceswoosh.org> Mail-Followup-To: Jens Axboe , Jeff Garzik , Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz , Ed Tomlinson , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton References: <1085689455.7831.8.camel@localhost> <200406041438.44706.bzolnier@elka.pw.edu.pl> <20040604124704.GA1946@suse.de> <200406041534.48688.bzolnier@elka.pw.edu.pl> <20040604152347.GD1946@suse.de> <40C0B191.2040201@pobox.com> <20040605092447.GB13641@suse.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040605092447.GB13641@suse.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1426 Lines: 34 On Sat, Jun 5 at 11:24, Jens Axboe wrote: >I did suggest this a few years ago. The comment I received was that >they didn't take suggestions from OS people, if I didn't have a drive >implementation to go with the proposal they couldn't use it for >anything. Which was interesting, since that seemed to suggest that t13 >had little steering in ata development, they mainly put into the ATA >specs what drive manufacturers shoved at them. Of course this isn't 100% >true, but it does explain a lot of things :-) If it helps, I'm listening. Suggestions/proposals for new features etc, if they're a good idea, I can help push inside via our SATA/T13 reps. Note that as per all long-lived specs with multiple revisions, changing the behavior of an existing feature to something incompatible is virtually never feasable. >Andre even tried getting FUA to do what we needed, no such luck there. >Some other bigger OS wanted it differently, the rest is history. Lo siento, I wasn't around when that occurred. Of course, that other bigger OS has a very large installed base, and selling a drive that breaks it is corporate suicide. -- Eric D. Mudama edmudama@mail.bounceswoosh.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/