Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264909AbUFRBAw (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:00:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264910AbUFRBAw (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:00:52 -0400 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]:59360 "EHLO sccrmhc13.comcast.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264909AbUFRBAq (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <40D23EBD.50600@opensound.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:00:45 -0700 From: 4Front Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.2) Gecko/20040308 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Stop the Linux kernel madness References: <40D232AD.4020708@opensound.com> <20040618004450.GT12308@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20040618004450.GT12308@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2259 Lines: 60 viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 05:09:17PM -0700, 4Front Technologies wrote: > >>Hi Folks, >> >>I am writing this message to bring a huge problem to light. SuSE has been >>systematically >>forking the linux kernel and shipping all kinds of modifications and still >>call their >>kernels 2.6.5 (for example). >> >>Either they ship the stock Linux kernel sources or they stop calling their >>distributions >>as Linux-2.6.x based. >> >>Kernel headers are being changed willy-nilly and SuSE are completely >>running rough-shod >>over the linux kernel with the result ONLY software from SuSE works. > > > "Software" == "3rd-party kernel modules" in this case, right? > > Remember what had been told to you about in-kernel interfaces? That's > right, that they can be changed at zero notice. Now, if SuSE told you > otherwise, you might have a cause to complain. Had they? > > If they'd promised in-kernel interface stability and lied - sure, go ahead > and nail them to the wall. If not - STFU and eat what you are bloody given. > > Al, not particulary fond of SuSE, but even less so - of misdirecting wankers > like that... > That's right Al, 4Front, ATI, Nvidia are all evil!. OK so now get on with life. It's time everybody started to pay some attention to in-kernel interfaces because Linux has graduated out of your personal sandbox to where other people want to use Linux and they aren't kernel developers. Sure we can fix the problem with SuSE - we've been doing this for the past 7 years. And we know a thing or two about Linux kernels but wouldn't it be better for the Linux community in general to have such source issue stabilized? best regards Dev Mazumdar --------------------------------------------------------------------- 4Front Technologies 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA Tel: 310 202 8530 Fax: 310 202 0496 URL: http://www.opensound.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/