Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265236AbUFRPkE (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:40:04 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S265245AbUFRPgP (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:36:15 -0400 Received: from dvmwest.gt.owl.de ([62.52.24.140]:56277 "EHLO dvmwest.gt.owl.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265276AbUFRPdz (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:33:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:33:50 +0200 From: Jan-Benedict Glaw To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: William Lee Irwin III , Rik van Riel , Jens Axboe , Andrew Morton , 4Front Technologies Subject: Re: Stop the Linux kernel madness Message-ID: <20040618153350.GB20632@lug-owl.de> Mail-Followup-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, William Lee Irwin III , Rik van Riel , Jens Axboe , Andrew Morton , 4Front Technologies References: <20040618082708.GD12881@suse.de> <20040618151315.GC1863@holomorphy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LgQ6cFTvYTl1gsEY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040618151315.GC1863@holomorphy.com> X-Operating-System: Linux mail 2.4.18 X-gpg-fingerprint: 250D 3BCF 7127 0D8C A444 A961 1DBD 5E75 8399 E1BB X-gpg-key: wwwkeys.de.pgp.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2424 Lines: 60 --LgQ6cFTvYTl1gsEY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-06-18 08:13:15 -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote in message <20040618151315.GC1863@holomorphy.com>: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 10:43:19AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote: > > Yes, this is a hint at certain embedded developers. You > > know who you are and chances are you also know what you would > > like to develop if you no longer had to spend your time porting > > the same old patches from one version of the product to the next. >=20 > The shame of things is that the economic/effort problem appears to > often be "solved" by never migrating to new kernel versions, or > otherwise by amortizing the work involved with infrequent migrations. Unfortunately, you're *very* right on this. Eg. read the linux-mips list (at linux-mips.org). You'll see that this list is often hit by people having problems. Normally, they hack on kernels like 2.4.16 or the like. These are totally unrelated projects, people and companies. I can't find words for that. They're missing a year of development and even feel sane with it. That's what vendors gave them... There's a lot of Linux beyond LKML, with a common problem: outdated source trees, with a shitload of patches. Linus could need another hacker or two working full-time on reviewing / importing those patches! For what I guess, those should better be native Indian speakers... MfG, JBG --=20 Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier B=FCrger" | im Internet! | im Ira= k! ret =3D do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TC= PA)); --LgQ6cFTvYTl1gsEY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA0wteHb1edYOZ4bsRAmQyAJ9GSDtZZ7DPPe+EMk+aI8XHUZ6ojQCeOrhd mvd6p61h01zEJZ2UsdJJ2XI= =NTfa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LgQ6cFTvYTl1gsEY-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/