Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264223AbUFRVMR (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:12:17 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263865AbUFRVMP (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:12:15 -0400 Received: from dvmwest.gt.owl.de ([62.52.24.140]:61402 "EHLO dvmwest.gt.owl.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264443AbUFRVKC (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:10:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:10:00 +0200 From: Jan-Benedict Glaw To: jsimmons@pentafluge.infradead.org Cc: Rik van Riel , Tim Bird , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, William Lee Irwin III , Jens Axboe , Andrew Morton , 4Front Technologies Subject: Re: Stop the Linux kernel madness Message-ID: <20040618211000.GP20632@lug-owl.de> Mail-Followup-To: jsimmons@pentafluge.infradead.org, Rik van Riel , Tim Bird , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, William Lee Irwin III , Jens Axboe , Andrew Morton , 4Front Technologies References: <40D33C58.1030905@am.sony.com> <20040618200848.GL20632@lug-owl.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nSJWYtSQyE+uSUBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux mail 2.4.18 X-gpg-fingerprint: 250D 3BCF 7127 0D8C A444 A961 1DBD 5E75 8399 E1BB X-gpg-key: wwwkeys.de.pgp.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2455 Lines: 66 --nSJWYtSQyE+uSUBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-06-18 22:03:51 +0100, jsimmons@pentafluge.infradead.org wrote in message : > On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > > It's not only all the embedded stuff (where the -tiny tree is a nice > > start!). Remember the bits of the pc98 arch that got ripped these days? > > Remember the CRIS architecture being hopefully out of sync? They're all > > good candidates to profit from such a helper. >=20 > The framebuffer is also so far behind. 9 out of 10 patches are=20 > dropped. The reason being is that everyone is a volunteer doing this in= =20 > there spare time. We don't have the man power, hardware, nor the support= =20 > to do the work that is needed. There are a huge number of drivers that=20 > could be included but never are. The companies we work for will not=20 > support the work we do in our spare time because there is no instant=20 > $$$$$.=20 Very right. Companies don't see any general benefit, if there isn't any $$ to come in soon. > So what is going to be done about this? Will this be the usually hot air? > I seen this discussed before but nothiing ever happens :-( I don't see an= y=20 > one setting up to the plate. Hope the CE Forum will show some engagement there. Or OSDL. Or IBM. Or ... But usually, that's hot air. No direct income :--< MfG, JBG --=20 Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier B=FCrger" | im Internet! | im Ira= k! ret =3D do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TC= PA)); --nSJWYtSQyE+uSUBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA01ooHb1edYOZ4bsRAgGgAJ9JM+RKHkyRc01Ay8XXtkdy5g3L8gCfTK7T 7n5Bg8jBE5j+wGnbHzC6TOg= =+OL3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nSJWYtSQyE+uSUBx-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/