Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262730AbUFRVTy (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:19:54 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263865AbUFRVQJ (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:16:09 -0400 Received: from ns.virtualhost.dk ([195.184.98.160]:6040 "EHLO virtualhost.dk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263664AbUFRVOC (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:14:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:13:53 +0200 From: Jens Axboe To: jsimmons@pentafluge.infradead.org, Rik van Riel , Tim Bird , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, William Lee Irwin III , Andrew Morton , 4Front Technologies Subject: Re: Stop the Linux kernel madness Message-ID: <20040618211352.GC7404@suse.de> References: <40D33C58.1030905@am.sony.com> <20040618200848.GL20632@lug-owl.de> <20040618211000.GP20632@lug-owl.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040618211000.GP20632@lug-owl.de> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1977 Lines: 40 On Fri, Jun 18 2004, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-18 22:03:51 +0100, jsimmons@pentafluge.infradead.org > wrote in message : > > On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > > > It's not only all the embedded stuff (where the -tiny tree is a nice > > > start!). Remember the bits of the pc98 arch that got ripped these days? > > > Remember the CRIS architecture being hopefully out of sync? They're all > > > good candidates to profit from such a helper. > > > > The framebuffer is also so far behind. 9 out of 10 patches are > > dropped. The reason being is that everyone is a volunteer doing this in > > there spare time. We don't have the man power, hardware, nor the support > > to do the work that is needed. There are a huge number of drivers that > > could be included but never are. The companies we work for will not > > support the work we do in our spare time because there is no instant > > $$$$$. > > Very right. Companies don't see any general benefit, if there isn't any > $$ to come in soon. > > > So what is going to be done about this? Will this be the usually hot air? > > I seen this discussed before but nothiing ever happens :-( I don't see any > > one setting up to the plate. > > Hope the CE Forum will show some engagement there. Or OSDL. Or IBM. > Or ... But usually, that's hot air. No direct income :--< Come on people, not everything is counted in dollars or euros. Lots of people enjoy doing auxiliary work in their spare time and get loads done. If it doesn't work for you, then maybe you are not the right for the job or maybe you are doing something wrong. -- Jens Axboe - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/