Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S268727AbUIAGKU (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:10:20 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S268716AbUIAGKU (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:10:20 -0400 Received: from fw.osdl.org ([65.172.181.6]:28613 "EHLO mail.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S268727AbUIAGHJ (ORCPT ); Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:07:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Hans Reiser cc: David Masover , Horst von Brand , Pavel Machek , Jamie Lokier , Chris Wedgwood , viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk, Christoph Hellwig , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Lyamin aka FLX , ReiserFS List Subject: Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4 In-Reply-To: <41356321.4030307@namesys.com> Message-ID: References: <200408311931.i7VJV8kt028102@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <41352279.7020307@slaphack.com> <41356321.4030307@namesys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1317 Lines: 40 On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Hans Reiser wrote: > > You are saying, 1-2% simpler and better, no biggie, why work so hard to > get it? > > And we are saying, 1-2% simpler and better, times thousands of > applications, wow! That's a lot! But would thousands care? Seriously? For example, you could make just _one_ program support "openat()", and you'd get most of the advantages, with no possibility of _breaking_ any of thousands of applications.. I know, you've ignored the "runat" program (which is just a wrapper around the openat() system call), but it _has_ been mentioned several times in this thread. Yes, you'd type a bit more to do runat file ls -l instead of ls -l file/ but at least the openat/runat approach also works for directories, which does actually make it a lot more _generic_ than the "show in the regular filespace" approach. No special cases. So your comparison isn't valid, because you're ignoring the people who shout "runat" at you. You've also not ever actually answered about the problems about directories with attributes. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/