Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S268474AbUIBT4o (ORCPT ); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:56:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S268762AbUIBTwW (ORCPT ); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:52:22 -0400 Received: from c002781a.fit.bostream.se ([217.215.235.8]:25987 "EHLO mail.tnonline.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S268767AbUIBTuk (ORCPT ); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:50:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:50:31 +0200 From: Spam Reply-To: Spam X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1591214030.20040902215031@tnonline.net> To: Linus Torvalds CC: Alan Cox , Jamie Lokier , Horst von Brand , Adrian Bunk , Hans Reiser , , Christoph Hellwig , , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Alexander Lyamin aka FLX , ReiserFS List Subject: Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives (was: silent semantic changes with reiser4) In-Reply-To: References: <20040826150202.GE5733@mail.shareable.org> <200408282314.i7SNErYv003270@localhost.localdomain> <20040901200806.GC31934@mail.shareable.org> <1094118362.4847.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1752 Lines: 44 > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Alan Cox wrote: >> >> On Mer, 2004-09-01 at 21:50, Linus Torvalds wrote: >> > and quite frankly, I think you can do the above pretty much totally in >> > user space with a small library and a daemon (in fact, ignoring security >> > issues you probably don't even need the daemon). And if you can prototype >> > it like that, and people actually find it useful, I suspect kernel support >> > for better performance might be possible. >> >> Gnome already supports this in the gnome-vfs2 layer. "MC" has supported >> it since the late 1990's. > And nobody has asked for kernel support that I know of. Actually. Doesn't matter if it is in kernel or not for the users as long as it works. The problem is that I do not see either Gnome or KDE to ever get along to form one standard that everyone will use. Their libraries are huge and memory hogging which so many Linux users just do not like. What if a user doesn't want KDE or Gnome? Would all files created with either be broken? I doubt that something like file streams and meta-data can successfully be implemented purely in user-space and get the same support (ie be used by many programs) if this change doesn't come from the kernel. I just do not see it happen. > So either "it just works" in user space, or people haven't figured out the > kernel could help them. Or decided it's not worth it, exactly because > they'd still have to support systems/filesystems that can't be converted. > Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/