Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S269589AbUICK6T (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:58:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S269602AbUICK6T (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:58:19 -0400 Received: from mail.kroah.org ([69.55.234.183]:57029 "EHLO perch.kroah.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S269589AbUICK6I (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:58:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:43:46 +0200 From: Greg KH To: Grzegorz Ja??kiewicz Cc: Helge Hafting , Jamie Lokier , Horst von Brand , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com Subject: Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4 Message-ID: <20040903104346.GA7867@kroah.com> References: <200408290004.i7T04DEO003646@localhost.localdomain> <20040901224513.GM31934@mail.shareable.org> <20040903082256.GA17629@kroah.com> <2f4958ff04090301326e7302c1@mail.gmail.com> <41383142.4080201@hist.no> <2f4958ff04090302141bc222e5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2f4958ff04090302141bc222e5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2183 Lines: 53 On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 11:14:51AM +0200, Grzegorz Ja??kiewicz wrote: > On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:54:26 +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > > Grzegorz Ja??kiewicz wrote: > > > > > > > >devfs was very natural, and simple solution. But to have it right, it > > >would have to be the only /dev filesystem. > > >But no, we like choices, so we have chaos. > > >Udev is just another thing adding to that chaos. > > > > > >Someone was numbering things that are good in BSD design, in that > > >thread. One of those things was going for devfs. No cheap solutions. > > >One fs for /dev. And it works great. > > > > > >Sorry for bit of trolling. > > > > > > > > Devfs was a ver good idea. The implementation of it > > was a problem, and after some time nobody maintained it. > > No surprise it had to go. Now udev+tmpfs can do the same > > job, and more. > > udef is a one big mistake, having need for userspace tool to use FS is > at least silly. I have never heard of a program called "udef". Any pointers to it? :) If it's such a big mistake, then don't use it. No one is forcing you to. > I can understeand need for some things in kernel to have userspace > daemon. But FS is out of question the least one. It's not a daemon (although to make things a bit easier on itself, it does provide one by default, but some distros don't use it.) It just creates device nodes when the kernel finds a new device, with a name that you pick. Which is something that an in-kernel devfs can not do. > I am supprised noone wanted to maintain devfs. Maybe because people > didn't want to go to devfs only. But still to have classic /dev. It's > also silly, because person writing driver needs to choose between, or > implement all. That's more than bad. Once I have loads of time, and no > work in KDE, I can take over devfs happily :-) Well, until you do that, baseless criticism and trolling like this will be ignored. greg k-h - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/