Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S269860AbUIDJtE (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 05:49:04 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S269859AbUIDJtE (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 05:49:04 -0400 Received: from imladris.demon.co.uk ([193.237.130.41]:64517 "EHLO phoenix.infradead.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S269860AbUIDJsr (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 05:48:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:48:34 +0100 From: Christoph Hellwig To: Keith Whitwell Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Dave Airlie , Jon Smirl , dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: New proposed DRM interface design Message-ID: <20040904104834.B13362@infradead.org> Mail-Followup-To: Christoph Hellwig , Keith Whitwell , Dave Airlie , Jon Smirl , dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20040904004424.93643.qmail@web14921.mail.yahoo.com> <20040904102914.B13149@infradead.org> <41398EBD.2040900@tungstengraphics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <41398EBD.2040900@tungstengraphics.com>; from keith@tungstengraphics.com on Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 10:45:33AM +0100 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by phoenix.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1243 Lines: 25 On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 10:45:33AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > > Umm, the Linux kernel isn't about minimizing interfaces. We don't link a > > copy of scsi helpers into each scsi driver either, or libata into each sata > > driver. > > But regular users don't tend to pull down new scsi or ata drivers in the same > way that they do graphics drivers. Hence the concern of many drm developers > to avoid introducing new failure modes in this process. Actually regulat users do. And they do by pulling an uptodate kernel or using a vendor kernel with backports. This model would work for video drivers aswell. > People who'd never dream of upgrading their kernel have acquired the habit of > pulling down up-to-date video drivers on a weekly or monthly basis. So, for > sanity's sake, the DRI/DRM has been in the business of minimizing exposed > interfaces, and for my money, should continue to be in that business. And DRM is the most crappy code in the kernel. See any corelations? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/