Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267651AbUIDMVm (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:21:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S269886AbUIDMVm (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:21:42 -0400 Received: from delerium.kernelslacker.org ([81.187.208.145]:19146 "EHLO delerium.codemonkey.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S267651AbUIDMVk (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:21:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:20:58 +0100 From: Dave Jones To: Keith Whitwell Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Dave Airlie , Jon Smirl , dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mharris@redhat.com Subject: Re: New proposed DRM interface design Message-ID: <20040904122057.GC26419@redhat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Dave Jones , Keith Whitwell , Christoph Hellwig , Dave Airlie , Jon Smirl , dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mharris@redhat.com References: <20040904102914.B13149@infradead.org> <41398EBD.2040900@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904104834.B13362@infradead.org> <413997A7.9060406@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904112535.A13750@infradead.org> <4139995E.5030505@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904112930.GB2785@redhat.com> <4139A9F4.4040702@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904115442.GD2785@redhat.com> <4139B03A.6040706@tungstengraphics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4139B03A.6040706@tungstengraphics.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1869 Lines: 37 On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:08:26PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > So, we are coming out of a period of history where it was extremely > difficult to get our drivers to users through the 'official' channels - to > the extent that many people have given up on the possibility of them > working properly. Maybe things will improve now. > > Are you suggesting for instance, that RedHat might pick up individual > drivers out of Xorg or better still Mesa, rather than waiting for a full > stable release? That would probably be the biggest help - by comparison > kernel releases are very frequent. I don't speak for X packaging (which is why I Cc'd Mike), but Fedora (Sorry Dave theres that word again) as a whole is tracking upstream very aggressively in most of its packages. (In the case of the kernel right now, we're tracking the daily -bk trees. Though due to the number of architectures we support, it obviously takes a while for it to all trickle out of our build system). Cherry picking updates from upstream happens for some packages, but typically, we'll just grab a new upstream as a whole as soon as it comes out. Daves point was true that only FC3test currently supports i915, but as we now use FC3test stabilisation points as update kernels for FC2 too, the kernel bits end up going back periodically. The Xorg side of the fence doesn't get as many updates. (And FC1 will never get Xorg, its still XFree86 4.4 iirc) One possible reason for this is sheer size of an X update, which annoys users. Hopefully this will be fixed with the modularisation work thats somewhere down the road. Dave - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/