Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267774AbUIDMcp (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:32:45 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S267793AbUIDMco (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:32:44 -0400 Received: from holly.csn.ul.ie ([136.201.105.4]:11735 "EHLO holly.csn.ul.ie") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S267774AbUIDMcm (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:32:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:32:41 +0100 (IST) From: Dave Airlie X-X-Sender: airlied@skynet To: Christoph Hellwig Cc: Keith Whitwell , Dave Jones , Jon Smirl , dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: New proposed DRM interface design In-Reply-To: <20040904132142.A14904@infradead.org> Message-ID: References: <41398EBD.2040900@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904104834.B13362@infradead.org> <413997A7.9060406@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904112535.A13750@infradead.org> <4139995E.5030505@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904112930.GB2785@redhat.com> <4139A9F4.4040702@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904115442.GD2785@redhat.com> <4139B03A.6040706@tungstengraphics.com> <20040904132142.A14904@infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1545 Lines: 33 > > Again, how is drm different from scsi or net or whatever drivers except > that you need a big userlevel component aswell? Well I've always wondered why I couldn't download drivers for my i845 on board soundcard for Redhat 9 (back when it was a supported distro), why the hell did I need to go install FC1 or upgrade my kernel to a non-RH kernel, same with X on the i845, it was crap on RH9 by the time FC1 came out the i865 was out, the distros play catchup the whole time with new hardware, why not allow people to download external drivers and use em? I do take your point that a vendor supplied kernel update will break everything anyways, but we do have a lot of proprietary driver users that deal with this and get support for their hardware why should people supplying open source drivers be worse off.. and that is my view with the drm at the moment, companies wanting to do the right things are in a worse position than companies just releasing binary drivers, and that is just wrong :-), telling your users to get a new kernel isn't a nice way of doing things, and maybe Fedora is doing things right, but not many other distros are... Dave. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/