Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267612AbUIFIGt (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Sep 2004 04:06:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S267624AbUIFIGs (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Sep 2004 04:06:48 -0400 Received: from c002781a.fit.bostream.se ([217.215.235.8]:424 "EHLO mail.tnonline.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S267612AbUIFIFq (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Sep 2004 04:05:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:05:34 +0200 From: Spam Reply-To: Spam X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1873133500.20040906100534@tnonline.net> To: Tonnerre CC: Linus Torvalds , Alan Cox , Jamie Lokier , Horst von Brand , Adrian Bunk , Hans Reiser , , Christoph Hellwig , , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Alexander Lyamin aka FLX , ReiserFS List Subject: Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives (was: silent semantic changes with reiser4) In-Reply-To: <20040906074518.GA28697@thundrix.ch> References: <20040826150202.GE5733@mail.shareable.org> <200408282314.i7SNErYv003270@localhost.localdomain> <20040901200806.GC31934@mail.shareable.org> <1094118362.4847.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1591214030.20040902215031@tnonline.net> <20040906074518.GA28697@thundrix.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2164 Lines: 57 > Salut, > On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:50:31PM +0200, Spam wrote: >> Their libraries are huge and memory hogging which so many Linux >> users just do not like. > This is rather a fud argument: both the gnome VFS code and the > KIOserver/KIOslave code aren't really large. You don't want to use > them for a busybox/tinylogin system, however. Then it is good. Just I see no programs other than Gnome or KDE apps that are using them. >> What if a user doesn't want KDE or Gnome? Would all files created >> with either be broken? > The files still work well, just that you can't access them over the > old fancy URL schemes. No only, but if you cp then with a non KDE/Gnome app then you will loose the meta-data and extra info too. That was my point. >> I doubt that something like file streams and meta-data can >> successfully be implemented purely in user-space and get the same >> support (ie be used by many programs) if this change doesn't come >> from the kernel. I just do not see it happen. > Actually, practical discordianism. If you develop a common API, > there'll always be people disagreeing. > GTK+ with all its features is just cool. Desktop warping is a really > nice thing. But there are people out there who don't want to use > it. They use QT, or even plain old Athena Widgets. So what? Will we be > implementing the X toolkits into the kernel? This is certainly not what I said or wanted. > In case of marketing it's up to the distributions to provide something > concise so everyone can use their programs through a coherent > namespace. (I.e. port all the apps they ship to gnome-vfs or kio). Do you really believe this will happen? Good if it did. I do not believe it. And I certainly do not see the thousands of man hours needed to actually provide all the patches as a benefit. ~S > Tonnerre - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/