Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S268284AbUIGSGe (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:06:34 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S268254AbUIGSGJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:06:09 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]:2286 "EHLO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S268247AbUIGSFq (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:05:46 -0400 Message-ID: <413DF873.1090304@namesys.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:05:39 -0700 From: Hans Reiser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Horst von Brand CC: Spam , Christer Weinigel , David Masover , Tonnerre , Linus Torvalds , Pavel Machek , Jamie Lokier , Chris Wedgwood , viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk, Christoph Hellwig , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Lyamin aka FLX , ReiserFS List Subject: Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4 References: <200409071530.i87FUCP1003927@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> In-Reply-To: <200409071530.i87FUCP1003927@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2242 Lines: 91 Horst von Brand wrote: >Spam said: > > >>Christer Weinigel said: >> >> > >[...] > > > >>>Could you please try summarize a few of the arguments that you find >>>especially compelling? This thread has gotten very confused since >>>there are a bunch of different subjects all being intermixed here. >>> >>> > > > >> Indeed. We are discussion changes to the heart of Linux. It is bound >> to get a little heated :/ >> >> > >True. But without any specific applications, just "this would be nice to >have", the discussion can't go forward. > > > >>>What are we discussing? >>> >>> > > > >>>1. Do we want support for named streams? >>> >>> >>> I belive the answer is yes, since both NTFS and HFS (that's the >>> MacOS filesystem, isn't it?) supports streams we want Linux to >>> support this if possible. >>> >>> >>> Anyone disagreeing? >>> >>> >> No :) >> >> > >There are many people around here who disagree (that is precisely the heart >of the discussion). I for one don't think Linux has to get $RANDOM_FEATURE >just because $SOME_OTHER_OS has got it. Either the feature stands on its >own _in the context of POSIX/Unix/Linux_ (possibly as an extension or >modification of said standards) or it isn't worth it. > > > >>>2. How do we want to expose named streams? >>> >>> >>> One suggestion is file-as-directory in some form. >>> >>> > >Which is broken, as it forbids hard links to files. > > No, it forbids hard links to the directory aspect of the file-directory duality. > > >Now you have 3 principal types of objects: Directories, containers (files >with streams), and files (no streams). > No, the reiser4 design supports only files and directories, but makes them able to do what people use streams for. The reiser4 design is based on a hatred of streams, and a desire to show that adding more features to files and directories makes streams unnecessary. Hans - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/