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To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
cc: Paul Jakma <paul@clubi.ie>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
       Robin Rosenberg <robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com>,
       William Stearns <wstearns@pobox.com>,
       Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea ofwhat reiser4 wants to do with metafiles and why 
In-Reply-To: Message from Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> 
   of "Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:04:38 MST." <414135E6.8050103@namesys.com> 
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:08:38 -0400
From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
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Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> said:
> Paul Jakma wrote:
> > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Hans Reiser wrote:
> >> It is not part of it at one level, but in the shell it is part of it.

> > Just one of many applications. Watch Joe-user save their word 
> > processing file sometime, they'll use spaces, quotes, etc.

> With great unhappiness they will.

Given the right GUI, they won't even notice.

> >> Have you looked at the political process at all? Or by lots of 
> >> people, do you mean a sizable minority?

> > Kernel development does 

> did you mean to have a "not" here?

> > require deep understanding by the majority of computer users. Only 
> > kernel developers need deep understanding. ;)

> What makes you think kernel developers have a deep understanding of the 
> value of connectivity in the OS?

Enlighten us. Never heard of "conectivity in the OS" before.

>                                  They don't. The average kernel 
> developer is not particularly bright.

Right.

>                                       Just ask Ted why htrees are slower 
> than reiser4, or ext2 tail combining is slower, and, well, he has no 
> clue.

Great PR move, again: Go on publicly insulting the people who you are
trying to convince.

>       He is happy to explain how architects don't do real work and 
> should not attend the Linux Kernel Summit, and then when reiser4 blows 
> htrees away he undoubtedly still thinks I just take the credit away from 
> the programmers who do the real work. They did real work, and they are 
> the best in the field, but architecture also matters --- quite a lot 
> actually.

Right you are about architecture.

[...]

> This is why I just want to be left alone to tinker with reiser4. It is 
> faster than other filesystems. People should assume I know what I am 
> doing, and leave me to tinker in my little fs. 5 years later others will 
> follow, or not, I don't care.

Great idea.

> > The real question though is: Have you given Al Viro technical answers 
> > to his technical questions?

> Yes, I did.

Haven't seen them.

>             Got no response. Would you like me to post something nice 
> and technical to this thread?;-)

That is what this list is supposed to be about: Technical discussion of the
Linux kernel development.

>                                  I can send a summary of my design, and 
> the answers I sent to Viro and Linus.

Please do. Together with the questions, so we can see the whole picture.
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