Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267497AbUIJRsb (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:48:31 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S267491AbUIJRsb (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:48:31 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]:31882 "EHLO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S267497AbUIJRsO (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:48:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4141E8DD.8050700@namesys.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:48:13 -0700 From: Hans Reiser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Cox CC: Paul Jakma , "Theodore Ts'o" , Robin Rosenberg , William Stearns , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea ofwhat reiser4 wants to do with metafiles and why References: <41323AD8.7040103@namesys.com> <413E170F.9000204@namesys.com> <200409080009.52683.robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com> <20040909090342.GA30303@thunk.org> <4140ABB6.6050702@namesys.com> <4140FBE7.6020704@namesys.com> <414135E6.8050103@namesys.com> <1094808053.17029.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1094808053.17029.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1931 Lines: 64 Alan Cox wrote: >On Gwe, 2004-09-10 at 06:04, Hans Reiser wrote: > > >>>Just one of many applications. Watch Joe-user save their word >>>processing file sometime, they'll use spaces, quotes, etc. >>> >>> >>With great unhappiness they will. >> >> > >Its only problematic for the command line users. The GUI doesn't have >some mysterious notion of meta-characters, it provides out of band >information on boundaries. > > Forgive me, what is out of band information on boundaries? Most people I know don't use the GUI for executing commands, perhaps this is because the existing guis are not good enough yet. > > >>This is why I just want to be left alone to tinker with reiser4. It is >>faster than other filesystems. People should assume I know what I am >>doing, and leave me to tinker in my little fs. 5 years later others will >>follow, or not, I don't care. >> >> > >See I don't care if you tinker with reiser4. I don't care if it turns >out to be a crap fs or a great fs. If its a great fs and scales and >unlike reiser3 can recover well from disk errors then one year I might >even use it. > > Is there a technical basis for your claim that we have trouble with disk errors? Do you mean badblocks support or what? >I do care if you ask me to suffer core API changes for your research, >that in your economics world is an externality. Its a large negative >externality on the part of the userbase so the userbase objects. It >doesn't take a PhD in economics to understand this. > >Alan > > > > > I think it would be reasonable for people to say that our approach currently has bugs, we should turn metafiles off until we make the bugs go away. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/