Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S268336AbUIKVhK (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:37:10 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S268337AbUIKVhK (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:37:10 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.206]:49789 "EHLO mproxy.gmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S268336AbUIKVhD (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:37:03 -0400 Message-ID: <9e47339104091114374b9545f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:37:02 -0400 From: Jon Smirl Reply-To: Jon Smirl To: Christoph Hellwig , Jon Smirl , Alan Cox , Linus Torvalds , Dave Airlie , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felix_K=FChling?= , DRI Devel , lkml Subject: Re: radeon-pre-2 In-Reply-To: <20040911220614.A5023@infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9e47339104091010221f03ec06@mail.gmail.com> <9e47339104091011402e8341d0@mail.gmail.com> <20040911132727.A1783@infradead.org> <9e47339104091109111c46db54@mail.gmail.com> <9e473391040911105448c3f089@mail.gmail.com> <9e4733910409111402138737aa@mail.gmail.com> <20040911220614.A5023@infradead.org> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1763 Lines: 39 On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:06:14 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 05:02:36PM -0400, Jon Smirl wrote: > > Alan, if you will commit Redhat to implementing all of the features > > referenced in this message: > > You definitly start sounding like Hans ;-) Getting the Linux display subsystem to a point where it can compete with Longhorn/Mac is a very complicated problem. It is going to take several years of work and the cooperation of a lot of people. It's a pyramid problem with lot's of layers. Of course Linux can choose not to build a display system based on 3D hardware. But I've seen the current Longhorn/Mac implementations and they are way, way better than X. If Linux ignores 3D mode it is going to be very visible on the desktop. I've tried to follow the Linux model for proposing the changes. The plan has been circulated to all relevant lists: fbdev, dri, xorg, lkml for over six months. Three sessions at OLS talked about various parts of the plan. Nothing has been kept secret, there must be 5,000 messages in the archive on this subject. But since I've written most of the code so far I get to pick the details of the implementation. If Alan would instead like to pick the details I've offered to withdraw if he'll write the code needed to implement the major points of the plan. Of course if Redhat wants to send me a check for a couple of hundred thousand dollars I'll write whatever they want, but they haven't done that. -- Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/