Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267653AbUIOXqO (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:46:14 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S267662AbUIOW1m (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:27:42 -0400 Received: from parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk ([195.92.249.252]:38803 "EHLO www.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S267649AbUIOW06 (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4148C1A2.2030309@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:26:42 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Miller" CC: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, paul@clubi.ie, netdev@oss.sgi.com, leonid.grossman@s2io.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: The ultimate TOE design References: <4148991B.9050200@pobox.com> <1095275660.20569.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4148A90F.80003@pobox.com> <20040915140123.14185ede.davem@davemloft.net> <20040915210818.GA22649@havoc.gtf.org> <20040915141346.5c5e5377.davem@davemloft.net> <4148B2E5.50106@pobox.com> <20040915142926.7bc456a4.davem@davemloft.net> In-Reply-To: <20040915142926.7bc456a4.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 962 Lines: 29 David S. Miller wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:23:49 -0400 > Jeff Garzik wrote: > > >>The typical definition of TOE is "offload 90+% of the net stack", as >>opposed to "TCP assist", which is stuff like TSO. > > > I think a better goal is "offload 90+% of the net stack cost" which > is effectively what TSO does on the send side. A better goal is to not bother with TOE at all, and just get multi-core processors with huge memory bandwidth :) Again, the point of my message is to have something _positive_ to tell people when they specifically asked about TOE. Rather than "no, we'll never do TOE" we have "it's possible, but there are better questions you should be asking" Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/