Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267343AbUIOVbc (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:31:32 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S267551AbUIOV2X (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:28:23 -0400 Received: from parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk ([195.92.249.252]:59276 "EHLO www.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S267542AbUIOVYF (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:24:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4148B2E5.50106@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:23:49 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Miller" CC: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, paul@clubi.ie, netdev@oss.sgi.com, leonid.grossman@s2io.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: The ultimate TOE design References: <4148991B.9050200@pobox.com> <1095275660.20569.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4148A90F.80003@pobox.com> <20040915140123.14185ede.davem@davemloft.net> <20040915210818.GA22649@havoc.gtf.org> <20040915141346.5c5e5377.davem@davemloft.net> In-Reply-To: <20040915141346.5c5e5377.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1208 Lines: 37 David S. Miller wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:18 -0400 > Jeff Garzik wrote: > > >>There's nothing inherently wrong with sticking a computer running >>Linux inside another computer ;-) > > > And we already support that :-) > > Plus we have things like TSO too but that doesn't require a full Linux > instance to realize on a networking port. > Simple silicon implements this already. > I don't see how that differs from your "big MTU" ideas. Part of this is about how to talk to business people.... marketing. The typical definition of TOE is "offload 90+% of the net stack", as opposed to "TCP assist", which is stuff like TSO. If people ask about how to support TOE in Linux, you can say "sure, we _already_ support TOE, just stick Linux on a PCI card" rather than "no we don't support it." And wha-la, we support TOE with zero code changes ;-) Jeff, who would love to have a bunch of Athlons on PCI cards to play with. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/