Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S268753AbUIQNjx (ORCPT ); Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:39:53 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S268756AbUIQNjx (ORCPT ); Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:39:53 -0400 Received: from mail.fh-wedel.de ([213.39.232.194]:7394 "EHLO mail.fh-wedel.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S268753AbUIQNjk (ORCPT ); Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:39:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:38:09 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn?= Engel To: Lincoln Dale Cc: Alan Cox , Andi Kleen , Jeff Garzik , "David S. Miller" , paul@clubi.ie, netdev@oss.sgi.com, leonid.grossman@s2io.com, Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: The ultimate TOE design Message-ID: <20040917133809.GD28745@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> References: <1095275660.20569.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4148A90F.80003@pobox.com> <20040915140123.14185ede.davem@davemloft.net> <20040915210818.GA22649@havoc.gtf.org> <20040915141346.5c5e5377.davem@davemloft.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20040916192213.04240008@171.71.163.14> <1095337159.22739.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040916133301.GA15562@wotan.suse.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20040917083305.04f4d008@171.71.163.14> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040917083305.04f4d008@171.71.163.14> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1405 Lines: 35 On Fri, 17 September 2004 08:37:17 +1000, Lincoln Dale wrote: > > sure -- ok -- that gets you the main processor. > now add to that a Northbridge (perhaps AMD doesnt need that but i'm sure it > still does), Southbridge, DDR-SDRAM, ancilliary chips for doing MAC, PHY, > ... > > couple that with the voltage of PCI where you're likely to need > step-up/step-down circuits (which aren't 100% efficient themselves), you're > still going to get very close to the limit, if not over it. > > ... and after all that, the Geode is really designed to be an embedded > processor. > Jeff was implying using garden-variety processors which seem to have large > heatsinks, not to mention cooling fans, not to mention quite significant > heat generation. > > we're not _quite_ at the stage of being able to take garden-variety > processors and build-your-own-blade-server using PCI _just_ yet. :-) FWIW, I've already been working with complete systems that suck their power from PCI. They do exist, just not in the grocery store next door. J?rn -- Das Aufregende am Schreiben ist es, eine Ordnung zu schaffen, wo vorher keine existiert hat. -- Doris Lessing - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/