Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:20:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:20:49 -0400 Received: from bitmover.com ([207.181.251.162]:26418 "EHLO bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:20:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:20:30 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Miles Lane , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE New Open Source X server Message-ID: <20010418192030.F29903@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Miles Lane , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <15070.4428.345455.994818@pizda.ninka.net> <20010418192824.A21365@rochester.rr.com> <3ADE2EBD.8A875AE1@megapathdsl.net> <20010418215602.A9035@rochester.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <20010418215602.A9035@rochester.rr.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:56:03PM -0400, Scott Prader wrote: > [much stuff about X] Scott, I think in part what people are reacting to is the "Hi, I'm going to start a new project, it will be cool, you should come work on it". Forgive me if I got it wrong, I'm paraphrasing, but wasn't it something like that what you said? Here's my two cents on why you got the reaction you got. Reality is settling in. I think people ar becoming aware that there aren't really 18,000 projects with 145,000 developers all hacking away on SourceForge. Think about it - Red Hat comes with about 900 rpms. So what's in the other 17,100 projects? The point being that while those projects numbers sound impressive, I think we all know that 95% of them aren't going anywhere. In other words, what the world does not need is another project. What the world does need is people who roll up their sleeves and do real work. You may well be one of them, that would be cool. But what would be even cooler is if we join together on real, existing efforts and work on them rather than just constantly make up a new project. Yeah, it's a lot harder, you have to put at least part of your ego aside and accept someone else's leadership, but more gets done that way. If you are still reading, my advice is to have a beer, relax, and ask yourself which is more cool - a new project with about 1/100 chance of going somewhere or contributing much more than 1/100 to an existing project with proven track record. Besides, there are some sharp cookies over there in X land, you are more likely to have fun working with them. > "You can tune a filesystem, but you can't tuna fish." -unknown I am 99.9% sure that Kirk McKusick put that in the BSD man page. If it wasn't him I'll bet it was Bostic or Joy, but my bet is on Kirk, he wrote UFS. Someone at Sun took it out, and I put it back in in SunOS 4.1.1 in the tunefs.8 man page with the following comment above it (yeah, I really did spell daemon the wrong way, shame on me): .\" Take this out and a Unix Demon will dog your steps from now until .\" the time_t's wrap around. .sp You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/