Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S269154AbUJFJYP (ORCPT ); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:24:15 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S269164AbUJFJYP (ORCPT ); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:24:15 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:27090 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S269154AbUJFJYK (ORCPT ); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:24:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:23:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Ingo Molnar X-X-Sender: mingo@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: Jeff Garzik cc: Andrew Morton , Nick Piggin , kenneth.w.chen@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, judith@osdl.org Subject: Re: new dev model (was Re: Default cache_hot_time value back to 10ms) In-Reply-To: <41638E61.9000004@pobox.com> Message-ID: References: <200410060042.i960gn631637@unix-os.sc.intel.com> <20041005205511.7746625f.akpm@osdl.org> <416374D5.50200@yahoo.com.au> <20041005215116.3b0bd028.akpm@osdl.org> <41637BD5.7090001@yahoo.com.au> <20041005220954.0602fba8.akpm@osdl.org> <416380D7.9020306@yahoo.com.au> <20041005223307.375597ee.akpm@osdl.org> <41638E61.9000004@pobox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1630 Lines: 36 On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Jeff Garzik wrote: > The _reality_ is that there is _no_ point in time where you and Linus > allow for stabilization of the main tree prior to relesae. [...] i dont think this is fair to Andrew - there's hundreds of patches in his tree that are scheduled for 2.6.10 not 2.6.9. you are right that -mm is experimental, but the latency of bugfixes is the lowest i've ever seen in any Linux tree, which is quite amazing considering the hundreds of patches. it is also correct that the pile of patches in the -mm tree mask the QA effects of testing done on -mm, so testing -BK separately is just as important at this stage. Maybe it would help perception and awareness-of-release a bit if at this stage Andrew switched the -mm tree to the -BK tree and truly only kept those patches that are destined for BK for 2.6.9. [i.e. if the current patch-series would be cut off at patch #3 or so, but the numbering of -rc3-mm3 would be keept.] This can only be done if the changes from now to 2.6.9-real are small enough in that they dont impact those 700 patches too much. This switching would immediately expose all -mm users to the current state of affairs of the -BK tree. (yes, people could try the -BK tree just as much but it seems -mm is used by developers quite often and it would help if the two trees would be largely equivalent so close to the release.) Ingo - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/