Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264443AbUJHUik (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:38:40 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264648AbUJHUik (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:38:40 -0400 Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov ([192.65.95.54]:382 "EHLO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264443AbUJHUiK (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:38:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:38:06 -0600 (MDT) From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@linux.site To: Greg KH cc: openib-general@openib.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [openib-general] InfiniBand incompatible with the Linux kernel? In-Reply-To: <20041008202247.GA9653@kroah.com> Message-ID: References: <20041008202247.GA9653@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824 X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2036 Lines: 47 On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Greg KH wrote: > If someone downloads the spec without joining the IBTA, and > proceeds to use the spec for an implementation of the IBTA spec, > that person (company) runs the risk of being a target of patent > infringement claims by IBTA members. Another solid reason to write infiniband off. I keep hoping that the IB vendor crowd will stop shooting themselves in the head with such regularity, and they just won't. They just keep increasing the size of the bore. Infiniband can now be spelled a few different ways, "I2O" and "ATM" come to mind, except that "ATM" was less unsuccessful in its lifetime than IB has been so far. > In justification for this position people say that they are just > trying to get more people to join the IBTA because they need the > dues, which by coincidence are $9500 per year, and point out > that some other commonly used specs are similarly made available > for steep prices. I don't know one way or the other about that > but this sounds a lot like the reason that we all gave ourselves > for NOT including SDP in the kernel[1]. > So, OpenIB group, how to you plan to address this issue? Do you all > have a position as to how you think your code base can be accepted into > the main kernel tree given these recent events? Well, we non-vendors have no power, and it appears the vendors are determined to kill IB. This is all very discouraging. A lot of people at the Labs put a lot of work into the Infiniband openib effort, including getting money to support the software development, and it looks like we're not going to get very far if these rules stick. I am going to renew my search for non-IB solutions, I guess. It's hard to recommend this interconnect when IBTA takes this kind of action. ron - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/