Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261647AbUJ0FYG (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:24:06 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261648AbUJ0FYG (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:24:06 -0400 Received: from holomorphy.com ([207.189.100.168]:58603 "EHLO holomorphy.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261647AbUJ0FYD (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:24:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:23:21 -0700 From: William Lee Irwin III To: Willy Tarreau Cc: Rik van Riel , "Marcos D. Marado Torres" , Ed Tomlinson , Massimo Cetra , "'Chuck Ebbert'" <76306.1226@compuserve.com>, "'Bill Davidsen'" , "'linux-kernel'" Subject: Re: My thoughts on the "new development model" Message-ID: <20041027052321.GT15367@holomorphy.com> References: <20041027051342.GK19761@alpha.home.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041027051342.GK19761@alpha.home.local> Organization: The Domain of Holomorphy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1284 Lines: 26 On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:29:10AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote: >> While a 2.7 series might provide developers with an "outlet" >> for their creativity, it does not give users the availability >> of the features they need. On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:13:42AM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote: > Rik, "new features" are what causes the kernel to be in permanent development > mode. It happened to all of us that a new feature broke compatability with a > patch or even caused a side effect. Users don't "need" new features, they > *want* them. This is what makes them upgrade to the new release in a fast > release model. If 2.4 had been released sooner, USB would never have made > it in 2.2, and 2.2 users would have switched faster. I know people who still > use 2.2 only on their dev systems because they don't need any upgrade. The new features you're complaining about are astoundingly not the causes of any of the bugs cited as critical issues in this thread. It also appears that you have forgotten early 2.4 at the very least... -- wli - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/