Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262438AbUJ0Nsg (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:48:36 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262440AbUJ0Nsg (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:48:36 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]:10717 "EHLO rwcrmhc11.comcast.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262438AbUJ0NsI (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <417FA711.90700@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:48:01 -0400 From: John Richard Moser User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20041022) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Lee Irwin III CC: Willy Tarreau , Rik van Riel , "Marcos D. Marado Torres" , Ed Tomlinson , Massimo Cetra , "'Chuck Ebbert'" <76306.1226@compuserve.com>, "'Bill Davidsen'" , "'linux-kernel'" Subject: Re: My thoughts on the "new development model" References: <20041027051342.GK19761@alpha.home.local> <20041027052321.GT15367@holomorphy.com> In-Reply-To: <20041027052321.GT15367@holomorphy.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2742 Lines: 72 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 William Lee Irwin III wrote: | On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:29:10AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote: | |>>While a 2.7 series might provide developers with an "outlet" |>>for their creativity, it does not give users the availability |>>of the features they need. | | | On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:13:42AM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote: | |>Rik, "new features" are what causes the kernel to be in permanent development |>mode. It happened to all of us that a new feature broke compatability with a |>patch or even caused a side effect. Users don't "need" new features, they |>*want* them. This is what makes them upgrade to the new release in a fast |>release model. If 2.4 had been released sooner, USB would never have made |>it in 2.2, and 2.2 users would have switched faster. I know people who still |>use 2.2 only on their dev systems because they don't need any upgrade. | | | The new features you're complaining about are astoundingly not the | causes of any of the bugs cited as critical issues in this thread. | I for one don't give a damn. Bugs and how fast this development model fix them aren't a concern to me; although I'd never slow down the bug fixing process. My concern is getting a real stable tree for various maintainers to base on, so that various patches for drivers, security enhancements, and other things aren't scattered across versions and impossible to patch together even when they're noninvasive to eachother. Have you stopped to consider that the features that are critical to me are also holding me back from upgrading to the newer kernels? Ironically, these are security features, and the newer kernels have newer security fixes aside from new schedulers and other toys I could really enjoy having around. | It also appears that you have forgotten early 2.4 at the very least... | | | -- wli | - | To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in | the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org | More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html | Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ | - -- All content of all messages exchanged herein are left in the Public Domain, unless otherwise explicitly stated. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBf6cPhDd4aOud5P8RAhWIAJ4u8W+KobiYoGKhsXEqw5TL+zUIggCaAueL AWGds1692rVAhFb/+KHiyvM= =jB3R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/