Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:01:13 +0900
From: Horms <horms@verge.net.au>
To: Nishanth Aravamudan <nacc@us.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add ssleep_interruptible()
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On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 09:19:22AM -0800, Nishanth Aravamudan wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 11:48:05AM +0900, Horms wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 05:30:59PM -0800, Nishanth Aravamudan wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 12:07:49PM -0800, Nishanth Aravamudan wrote:
> > > > Description: Adds ssleep_interruptible() to allow longer delays to occur
> > > > in TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE, similarly to ssleep(). To be consistent with
> > > > msleep_interruptible(), ssleep_interruptible() returns the remaining time
> > > > left in the delay in terms of seconds. This required dividing the return
> > > > value of msleep_interruptible() by 1000, thus a cast to (unsigned long)
> > > > to prevent any floating point issues.
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Nishanth Aravamudan <nacc@us.ibm.com>
> > > > 
> > > > --- 2.6.10-rc1-vanilla/include/linux/delay.h	2004-10-30 
> > > > 15:34:03.000000000 -0700
> > > > +++ 2.6.10-rc1/include/linux/delay.h	2004-11-01 12:06:11.000000000 -0800
> > > > @@ -46,4 +46,9 @@ static inline void ssleep(unsigned int s
> > > > 	msleep(seconds * 1000);
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > +static inline unsigned long ssleep_interruptible(unsigned int seconds)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	return (unsigned long)(msleep_interruptible(seconds * 1000) / 1000);
> > > > +}
> > > > +
> > > > #endif /* defined(_LINUX_DELAY_H) */
> > > 
> > > After a discussion on IRC, I believe it is pretty clear that this
> > > function has serious issues. Mainly, that if I request a delay of 1
> > > second, but msleep_interruptible() returns after 1 millisecond, then
> > > ssleep_interruptible() will return 0, claiming the entire delay was
> > > used (due to rounding).
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we should just be satisfied with milliseconds being the grossest
> > > (in contrast to fine) measure of time, at least in terms of
> > > interruptible delays. ssleep() is unaffected by this problem, of course.
> > > 
> > > Please revert this patch, if applied, as well as any of the other
> > > patches I sent using ssleep_interruptible() [only a handful].
> > 
> > Would making sure that the time slept was always rounded up to
> > the nearest second resolve this problem. I believe that rounding
> > up is a common approach to resolving this type of problem when
> > changing clock resolution.
> > 
> > I am thinking of something like this.
> > 
> > ===== include/linux/delay.h 1.6 vs edited =====
> > --- 1.6/include/linux/delay.h	2004-09-03 18:08:32 +09:00
> > +++ edited/include/linux/delay.h	2004-11-22 11:47:03 +09:00
> > @@ -46,4 +46,10 @@ static inline void ssleep(unsigned int s
> >  	msleep(seconds * 1000);
> >  }
> >  
> > +static inline unsigned long ssleep_interruptible(unsigned int seconds)
> > +{
> > +	return (unsigned long)((msleep_interruptible(seconds * 1000) + 999) / 
> > +			1000);
> 
> This is a good idea, but I have two issues:
> 
> 1) A major reason for having msecs_to_jiffies() and co. is to avoid
> having to do this type of conversion ourselves. A weak argument,
> admittedly, but just something to keep in mind.
> 
> 2) This still has a serious logical flaw: If I request 1 second of
> sleep, and I don't sleep the entire time, then it is now guaranteed that
> I will think I did not sleep at all (ie. ssleep_interruptible() will
> return 1). That's just another version of the original issue.
> 
> I just don't think it's useful to have this coarse of granularity, at
> least in terms of interruptible sleep.

If it is unacceptable to neither underestimate or overestimate the
duration of a sleep to the nearest second (the unit of granularity of
the sleep in this case) then I agree. That is unless you want to request
a sleep in seconds but have the duration returned in milliseconds. But
if that is the case then it is probably more sensible to just use
msleep_interruptible() and be done with it.

-- 
Horms
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