Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263131AbUK0AQY (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:16:24 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263133AbUK0AQL (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:16:11 -0500 Received: from hermes.domdv.de ([193.102.202.1]:30724 "EHLO hermes.domdv.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263107AbUK0ANQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:13:16 -0500 Message-ID: <41A7C68D.3060302@domdv.de> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:13:01 +0100 From: Andreas Steinmetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040918 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Woodhouse CC: Matthew Wilcox , Alexandre Oliva , dhowells , torvalds@osdl.org, hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: [RFC] Splitting kernel headers and deprecating __KERNEL__ References: <19865.1101395592@redhat.com> <20041125210137.GD2849@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> <1101422103.19141.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1101422103.19141.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1493 Lines: 36 David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 21:01 +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > >>I'm not particularly stuck on the namespace. We could invent >>a better name. How about and to replace >>and ? Obviously keeping linux/ and asm/ symlinks for backwards >>compatibility. > > > There's no _real_ need to keep them. All we need to fix is a handful of > libc implementations; anything else using them was broken anyway. > Cute idea. So any new definition which is supposed to be used in userspace will take at least a year to propagate - well, I know, one can always look for the definition in the kernel headers, copy it, ... Now this is no solution. And how do you want to deal with the fact that up to now all the netfilter headers required for userspace programming live in the kernel include tree? Now this has been like this for quite some years. Shall one no longer use netfilter? It is easy to be happy with the status quo and to reject any attempt to change things for the better. If you really wanted to fix (g)libc you would have taken action long ago. You're around for long enough. -- Andreas Steinmetz SPAMmers use robotrap@domdv.de - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/