Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:34:37 +0100
From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>
Cc: Stefan Seyfried <seife@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
       Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
       hugang@soulinfo.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Subject: Re: Suspend 2 merge
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Hi!

> > >>>:> But not everyone who uses 2.6.9 uses swsusp. :>
> > 
> > and not everyone who downloads suspend2 uses it ;-)
> 
> Yes... I'd say the relative percentage would be much higher, though.

Agreed.

> > > change a parameter or forcing them to do an ls in /dev with obscure
> > > parameters (to get the major and minor numbers) when they already know
> > > they want /dev/sda1 isn't user friendly. Obviously user friendliness is 
> > 
> > This can easily be done by a userspace helper. You do use the
> > (userspace) X server to display your GUI, don't you?
> 
> No. Not at all. All of userspace is well and truly wedged in a block of
> ice by then.

I think that was not what Stefan wanted to say.

> Regarding acceptance, there's no point in getting it accepted into the
> kernel if we end up with something that's user-unfriendly. I think it
> will help a lot if we agree that suspend does need to blur the lines
> between kernel and userspace a little, in the interests of providing
> software that is superior.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I do not think suspend
is special enough to blur the lines...
								Pavel
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