Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:36:22 +0000
From: Al Viro <viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>
To: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Felipe Alfaro Solana <lkml@mac.com>,
       Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
       Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
       William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
       Maciej Soltysiak <solt2@dns.toxicfilms.tv>,
       Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>,
       William Lee Irwin III <wli@debian.org>
Subject: Re: starting with 2.7
Message-ID: <20050104063622.GB26051@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>
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On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 06:46:49AM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 10:14:42PM +0000, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > Gosh! I bought an ATI video card, I bought a VMware license, etc.... I 
> > > want to keep using them. Changing a "stable" kernel will continuously 
> > > annoy users and vendors.
> > 
> > So buy some Operating System that supports the propritary software of
> > your choice but stop annoying us.
> 
> That's what he did. But it was not written in the notice that it could stop
> working at any time :-)

Do you want a long list of message-IDs going way, way back?  Ones of Linus'
postings saying that there never had been any promise whatsoever of in-kernel
interfaces staying unchanged...

For fsck sake, people, give it a rest already.  3rd-party kernel modules
are and had always been responsibility of their maintainers, regardless
of licensing, commercial status, etc.  Exported functions and data structures
can and do change; doing out-of-tree development means taking a calculated
risk and being ready to follow these changes.

So yes, it *had* been written.  Many times.  In details.  With feeling.
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