Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261577AbVADJZa (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 04:25:30 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261578AbVADJZa (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 04:25:30 -0500 Received: from caramon.arm.linux.org.uk ([212.18.232.186]:23562 "EHLO caramon.arm.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261577AbVADJZV (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 04:25:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:25:15 +0000 From: Russell King To: Christoph Hellwig , Erik Mouw , Adrian Bunk , Domen Puncer , lkml Subject: Re: [patch] maintainers: remove moderated arm list Message-ID: <20050104092515.B9409@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Christoph Hellwig , Erik Mouw , Adrian Bunk , Domen Puncer , lkml References: <20041225170825.GA31577@nd47.coderock.org> <20041225172155.A26504@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20050103175438.GL2980@stusta.de> <20050104085437.GA26584@harddisk-recovery.com> <20050104090057.GA2035@infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20050104090057.GA2035@infradead.org>; from hch@infradead.org on Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:00:57AM +0000 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2667 Lines: 58 On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:00:57AM +0000, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:54:37AM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 06:54:38PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > I'm sometimes doing patches that cover many files, and I want to Cc the > > > patches to the developers in question. > > > > > > If after sending 10 patches I get 5 "this is a subscribers-only list" > > > mails, I'm not going to subscribe to 5 lists, forward the patches to > > > them and unsubscribe again after this (and repeat this if there's some > > > discussion regarding one of these patches). > > > > Note that Mailman lists allow you to be subscribed without getting mail > > from the list (except the monthly notice on mailman day). > > Which is still totally annoying. I don't want to use some damn web (or even > email-based) interface just to send a single mail to some list. In that case, you can personally choose not to send mail there anymore. It's completely up to you. No one is forcing you to send email to any address. You may wish to have 100% open communities everywhere, but unfortunately we live in the real world where politicians get to make laws for us, and we have to abide by them. If this means that people have to respect peoples rights to privacy, and inform them when their privacy may not be assured (and not violate that right to privacy without first doing so.) I don't care if you personally agree with that or not. That's not what it's about. It's about taking reasonable steps to cover ones own ass and the communities ass to ensure survival in silly-law environments. In such an environment, there are two options to this: 1. have a moderated mailing list with public archives where non-subscribers are informed that their message can't be accepted because x, y, and z. 2. have an open mailing list with private archives and a method to ensure that there are _no_ archive sites subscribed. (2) is an impossibility, which only leaves (1). Remember - there *are* people who use law as a method to make money. I think that recent events with a certain company in the US prove that point nicely. Think about it. And let me remind you that I don't care whether you agree or not. -- Russell King Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ maintainer of: 2.6 PCMCIA - http://pcmcia.arm.linux.org.uk/ 2.6 Serial core - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/